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Old August 7th, 2018, 07:44 PM
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So I seem to recall from the rules (and reading the wiki) that being a knight in the Imperium was strictly an honorary title. That is knights don't met out justice or have any official powers.

Is that right? Was that always the case?
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So I seem to recall from the rules (and reading the wiki) that being a knight in the Imperium was strictly an honorary title. That is knights don't met out justice or have any official powers.

Is that right? Was that always the case?
Knighthood by itself is an honorific. But there are some positions of authority and administration or postings within the Imperial system that require a minimum Social Standing of Knighthood or higher to qualify. So there are some knights who do have authority and/or official administrative duties, but it is by virtue of having been assigned those responsibilities separately, but nevertheless by virtue of their Knighthood.

For example, under T5, every Imperial world that is not barren or under interdiction has an assigned Knight as Imperial Ambassador to the world. These are specifically known as Landed Knights, and may be hereditary.

Other Ceremonial Knights, or Knights holding a Rank/Administrative position, may be mid- or higher level functionaries within the Imperial Bureaucracy (such as in the Imperial Ministry of Justice, for example).

But most knighthoods are simply an honorific social distinction.
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I guess I brought up the topic before years back, and I guess the thing that gets me is that given the "wild west" nature of much of the Imperium and its fringes, that the knight isn't more of a high-tech futuristic version of the medieval knight, complete with duties and responsibilities that come with traditional non-honorific knighthood, as opposed to today's knights who get the title, but have no power.

Interesting, thanks.
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I guess I brought up the topic before years back, and I guess the thing that gets me is that given the "wild west" nature of much of the Imperium and its fringes, that the knight isn't more of a high-tech futuristic version of the medieval knight, complete with duties and responsibilities that come with traditional non-honorific knighthood, as opposed to today's knights who get the title, but have no power.
That depends on the Knight. There is one Knight assigned on every world (bar a few, as noted), but that is a baseline, not an exclusive. Knighthoods typically go to people who deserve them, and those sorts are rarely going to sit on their tails and relax. The unattached Knights are the scary ones, since you never know where you'll encounter one.
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I guess I need to crack all of T5 again.

During CT game sessions knights were like today's honorary knights; knights in title and deed in terms of some social accomplishment, but not with any military achievments, as a knight was expected to do up to the late 19th or early 20th century.

It seems like a real story / adventure opportunity that a knight is commissioned as a knight to do "knightly" things throughout the Imperium and beyond. Rescue damsels in distress, great deeds brave and bold...slay the occasional dragon and so forth.

Just my gut reaction here.
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It seems like a real story / adventure opportunity that a knight is commissioned as a knight to do "knightly" things throughout the Imperium and beyond. Rescue damsels in distress, great deeds brave and bold...slay the occasional dragon and so forth.
What you do here is what they did back when 'knights' were a thing. Form 'Orders of Knights'.

A generic knight is just someone with a fancy title, a bit of social status, and a minor amount of authority - aka the 'Honour Knights'.

However if the Knight is of an Order, they have a lot more authority as they can technically they can call other members of the Order to help them. Also they have the authority of the _Sponsor_ of the Order to back them up. If "Sir Blah or the Order of the Emperors Ass Kickers" shows up, even higher Nobles are going to be wary. He'll still be treated as a Knight, but can expect a lot more leeway as the head of his order is the Emperor.

Orders also have a 'mission' so to speak. The knightly order was formed to accomplish something as well as having a code of conduct. It would be quite easy to insert the do "great deeds, correct injustices and rescue damsels" here as their mission statement.

So while you could have a few honorary knights hanging around the offices of the Starport in "Future Tombstone", no one would really give them a second thought. But when a Knight of an Order touches down, people may pay attention (depending on what the Order is).
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Well, in days of yore a knight evolved from a cavalry man who might or might not have some armor, to a "heavy tank", even in the 1100's with some extra responsibilities I'll post some fan fic, and see what people think.
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Whulorigan's post about the rank and roles being separate doesn't mean that the rank couldn't be conferred upon a character in order to give them the social status required to back up the authority of a role handed out to them. Eg: Bob the ex-scout does some fascinating things identifying fraudulent excise practices of a large shipping firm, so the sector Duke then knights him and gives him a series of tasks based around doing the same thing but across another couple of systems, reporting back to the Duke on his findings.

The advantage would be tying successful troubleshooters to their noble patron while also giving them the authority to further the patrons interests.
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Wouldn't it be fun if an Imperial knight was/is a 'man on the ground' or troubleshooter for the subsector duke...
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Wouldn't it be fun if an Imperial knight was/is a 'man on the ground' or troubleshooter for the subsector duke...
The "Knight Retainer" rank, technically a step below Imperial Knights as they are created by Dukes, is one approach to that role. Not all Dukes have or want Knight Retainers, as the presumption of need is usually attached to High (Landed) Dukes, and having Knight Retainers (or Knights Retainer, depending on the linguistic influences of a region) that have not also been submitted to the Imperial process is considered presumptuous and/or suspicious.

That said, Nobles employ Knights, whether Imperial, Retainer, Freelance/Errant, or co-interested, all the time. Knights form a pre-vetted labor pool, of sorts.
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