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Old May 7th, 2008, 04:35 PM
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Is it just me, or is that a surprising turn of events for a game described as "irrelevant" back in October? (on rpg.net)
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Or maybe it just describes rpg.net as "irrelevant".
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Is it just me, or is that a surprising turn of events for a game described as "irrelevant" back in October? (on rpg.net)
I think whoever said that was speaking out of his nether regions. MGT was (IMHO) as close to a sure thing as it gets in the RPG business. There are a *lot* of old Traveller players out there and nostalgia is a powerful incentive. Of course, I make this assertion only for the initial rulebook. From that point on, the game system will have to carry its own weight. But even at the height of my, uh, constructive critical disputes with MGT, I never thought it would fail to sell well at the start.
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Oh, I still think several of the stated goals from the initial announcements are impossible, but the game itself can be quite good and still fail at those goals, given how the Traveller "Community" works (or doesn't).
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Well, I did preorder rather late (April 9), so I imagine my order is near the end of the queue.

UPDATE: Maybe I'm missing something, but it seems to me that preorders should have been fulfilled ahead of distributor orders (unless, of course, the distributors also prepaid for their copies; in that case I have no problem with "first come, first served")).
It's likely that they "paid" by purchase order (literally a line of credit), and are thus legitimately in line well before you, Ty.
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... at the height of my, uh, constructive critical disputes with MGT...
Hey tbeard, has anyone 'thanked' you for that? I understood your arguments against the effect/timing system as it was in the playetst, and it's heartening to see they removed it. I _suspect_ that removal had a lot to do with your championing the Rightious Way, and so MGT is better for you. Thanks, from me at least.
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Hey tbeard, has anyone 'thanked' you for that?
Well, one nice fellow compared me to a suicide bomber...

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I understood your arguments against the effect/timing system as it was in the playetst, and it's heartening to see they removed it. I _suspect_ that removal had a lot to do with your championing the Rightious Way, and so MGT is better for you. Thanks, from me at least.
Thank you. In my experience, critics are almost *never* thanked, even when their advice is taken. Which might be a Good Thing in general, since critics can be awfully irritating.

And I've found that while people forgive a lot of things, they will seldom forgive you for being right...

In any case, I am relieved that Mongoose (apparently) took the legitimate criticisms to heart and ditched those mechanics, despite the fact that the design team (and a vocal fan contingent) seemed in love with them. That took stones and Mongoose is to be commended for it.

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It's likely that they "paid" by purchase order (literally a line of credit), and are thus legitimately in line well before you, Ty.
Well, anything is possible. But until some confirmation is received from Mongoose, your speculation is merely that--speculation.

And the more I think about it, the less impressed I am with how Mongoose handled it.

Fact -- they had to know how many copies were preordered by both individual consumers and distributors.

Fact -- They had to know how many copies they were printing.

Fact -- this information would make it easy for them to determine if they were gonna be able to fulfill a preorder.

In my opinion, they should not have taken a consumer's money for a preorder if they already knew that stores would get the product before the consumer did. At the very least, they should have informed the customer that his order would be delayed and offered a refund. Since the preorders are via email, this is a trivially easy task.

If they take a customer's money, they should deliver the product/service that the customer reasonably expects. Or at least warn him that his expectations won't be met.

Instead, Mongoose apparently took the money, used it, then shipped the product to others. I can't find a good face to put on that.

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Maybe this is there little dig back at you for your "constructive criticism"!

Seriously, I preordered and got mine last week, so I am a bit surprised you haven't gotten yours yet.
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I've pre-ordered mine in early March and it was sent from Mongoose (I've checked this with them) about two weeks ago; still hasn't reached me. But shipping here to Israel takes time and this week we had both the Military Memorial Day and the Independence Day so this might also be the reason for the delay of my package.
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