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Old August 26th, 2019, 02:43 PM
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T5's GunMaker gives it an EaseOfUse of +2 in Close Quarters (and an overall -2 to Reliability).
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In my very limited experience a folded stock is handier at very short range, so should get an advantageous DM at least at Close range and perhaps at Short range. On the other hand a folded stock should give a large negative DM at longer ranges.

When the stock is extended I would not give any DM.
Per a note on the weapon table from 1977:

"When a folding stock is installed on a weapon, and is folded, also use the DM shown."

So, per 1977, when unfolded, no DMs. When folded, no DMs at Close or Short. But DM -1 for Medium, Long, and Very Long.
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Per a note on the weapon table from 1977:

"When a folding stock is installed on a weapon, and is folded, also use the DM shown."
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Folding Stocks— Carbines, rifles, and shotguns can be equipped with folding stocks, making it possible to reduce the overall length of the weapon by 300 mm. When a folding stock is folded, the weapon is less accurate (DM –1 at all ranges). When the stock is extended, there is no effect.
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5. When a folding stock is installed on a weapon, and is folded, also use the DM shown.
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My reading of that footnote is the stock is folded to the 'in use' position.

Hence my ruling mentioned earlier.
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I read it as a cumulative modifier, that is when folded it gives an additional -1 medium/long/very long range modifier on top of whatever the modifiers are on the weapon itself...when extended it uses the base weapon modifier.
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I read it as a cumulative modifier, that is when folded it gives an additional -1 medium/long/very long range modifier on top of whatever the modifiers are on the weapon itself...when extended it uses the base weapon modifier.
That is how I was reading it.
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T5's GunMaker gives it an EaseOfUse of +2 in Close Quarters (and an overall -2 to Reliability).
How does a folding stock effect “reliability”? Accuracy at longer ranges most definitely if folded, but making the weapon less reliable?
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It's a moving part with springs, clips, locks etc - plenty of stuff that can brake that can't on a fixed stock.
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What's the stock for?

To stabilize the weapon platform which suffers from varying degrees of recoil.

If you're strong and/or large enough, it might not matter if it's folded.
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To stabilize the weapon platform which suffers from varying degrees of recoil.
No, stocks are design to stabilize the weapon, regardless of recoil.

A .22 rifle (which has almost zero recoil) will be more accurate than a .22 pistol when mounted by soft, gushy human beings.

Sly Stallone and Arnie would have difficulty stabilizing a pistol as well as they can a rifle. We're not Ransom Rests.

It's basic geometry and simple static structural analysis.
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