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Old September 20th, 2020, 06:07 AM
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There is a question of what is pertinent on Imperial symbols that current symbology doesn’t supply. E g. Modern symbology has differentiators for mountains and arctic warfare. Would imperial need symbols for units deplorable to vacuum/very thin atmospheres; tainted atmospheres; exotic/corrosive ones? How about for units deplorable underwater? Or in zero-g. Troops from a .25g world would find deployment at 1.25g hard. Existing games counters for traveller differentiate wheeled and grab but don’t do helicopter borne units. Drop troops have a designation but does that apply only to re-entry capable? And none are shown as armoured who’ve the equipment specs suggest they should be. Should space-mobile troops be differentiated from static world based ones? Modern symbols may not be usable sensibly. Take anti-tank units. One designation if wheeled or tracked; a very different one if helicopter based. Would transport method matter less in the Imperium?
Note that by logical extension this makes counter sets much more complex and operational deployment of the right capability to the right world much harder. Which may be too much for a playable game.
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Would depend on relevance.

Specialized units would need to be differentiated, since you would need to know their capabilities. Beyond a black and white, they could also be colour coded to represent different branches, or different factions.

Add on or limited use capabilities could be stacked on.
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I've posted the draft of the full map area...
http://www.travellerrpg.com/CotI/Gal...dex.php?n=3000

and initial counters for Narrows and adjacent subsectors

http://www.travellerrpg.com/CotI/Gal...dex.php?n=2999
http://www.travellerrpg.com/CotI/Gal...dex.php?n=2998

To go will be counters in the reinforcements pots for the Dzarrgh Federate, Irrgh Manifest and Ngath Confederation (and maybe Glory of Taarskoerzn)

The Regency and New Ziru Sirka need some too...and how the looting of the depots should be modelled I need to consider.

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Would depend on relevance.

Specialized units would need to be differentiated, since you would need to know their capabilities. Beyond a black and white, they could also be colour coded to represent different branches, or different factions.

Add on or limited use capabilities could be stacked on.
Opened thread "Unit Symbology of the Imperium"
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Post Vargr Incursions on the Wiki

https://wiki.travellerrpg.com/Campaign:Vargr_Incursions

Started putting together everything as a game. Whether it is playable as it stands is another matter!

Anyway, starting to fill in some of the gaps.

Criticism welcome. n.b. I won't guarantee to understand or follow advice.

And thanks to those that have triggered this madness!
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As the idiot who started this thread, so long ago, thank you for actually working out the counters and maps.

Makes it easy to understand how Lemish fell so quickly.

How are the reserve fleets modeled?
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MCG Final Victory @ Emerald----------------------------------------------------Corr 1806 Lemish A79568C-C
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I've tried to model the fleets based on similar worlds in the 5th Frontier War.

Looking specifically at Lemish, the only world with a large enough population and high enough technology to support one is Alfive. I've noticed that this is a 0-2-6...which means it has no anti-shipping capability!...Should have been 1-2-6. Will correct in the wiki version.
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I understand locally, Lemish is pretty much screwed.

What I am thinking is that the reserve fleets, the 1060th and the 1105th who stayed behind after the main fleet left, some elements might be stationed either at Lemish or scattered around the different systems (with naval bases). I believe there are 6 in the subsector.

And obviously, those elements would probably be deployed forward when the attack happens.

What sparked the first attack?
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The 5FW Counter Scale doesn't really do anything smaller than a Cruiser. I'm modelling raider groups as 0-0-1 to 0-2-6 - No big spinal weapons, limited to carrying a few troops and dropping a few bombardment missiles...1060 and 1105 should probably be modelled as squadrons of similar capabilities? (Lots of small ships not really able to stand in the line against a battlewagon?)

The first attack is probably just a Vargr pushing their luck and noticing "Hey the fleet really went...Party at Lemish anyone?" - after which the big money guys see an opportunity for a killing.

Oddly, the TNS messages for 1117 have an announcement that corridor is cut off issued BEFORE the fleet depart. Which implies that the cutting process was a deliberate act by the Corridor Fleet as punishment for Norris' neutrality or a side effect of Corridor Fleet requisitioning shipping for its fleet logistics and transport. Nothing much to do with the Vargr at all - it's too soon for the Vargr to have found out, moved and succeeded in the face of an extant fleet.
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Unless this is a propagation delay issue, this would mean that Lucan deliberately abandoned Corridor to the Vargr.

Or did the Vilani seal off their border to prevent the Vargr invasion? Vland declared independence at some point, didn't they?
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MCG Final Victory @ Emerald----------------------------------------------------Corr 1806 Lemish A79568C-C
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