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Old September 17th, 2019, 11:42 AM
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1st Imperium was basically a corporate Bureaucracy, nominally a Imperial dictatorship.
2nd Imperium was basically a Military Dictatorship grafted on top of the 1st Imperial Buraeucracy?

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3rd Imperium was a loose Feudal Empire

Is there any structure of a large interstellar empire based upon other principles? I know the Regency evolved into a Representative Democracy (Constitutional Monarchy?), but it's a smaller scale.

Wondering people's thoughts on how an interstellar government of a large size would function that wasn't some kind of Feudal or Authoritarian system?
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Technically the Zhodani Consolate is a representative democracy. A group of elected officials appoint one of their officers to represent the group at the next level of the government. The fact that the lowest level of popular elections only includes a small minority of the population may change your mind about the democracy thing.

The Hive Federation is another, even looser, government. Im not sure how to classify it.
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Technically the Zhodani Consolate is a representative democracy. A group of elected officials appoint one of their officers to represent the group at the next level of the government. The fact that the lowest level of popular elections only includes a small minority of the population may change your mind about the democracy thing.

The Hive Federation is another, even looser, government. Im not sure how to classify it.
I always pegged the Zhodani Consulate to be a meritocratic oligarchy, but I could see it as a Representative Democracy considering that that's not too far off from the way the early US was governed, and the British PM isn't directly elected.

Agree about Hivers. It's not a "0" government, but it can act like one, but they are too capable of concerted efforts for it to be a huan "0"

What I love about Hivers is that they are very alien, but still relatable.
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My views.

The Ziru Sirka was a lot more than a corporate beurocracy.

Each of the three Bureaux that rules their particular slice of empire were more akin to the triumvirate of ancient Rome, with the trappings of the British East India Company grafted on top, not to mention each Bureaux traced its origins back to a particular Vilani caste. And atop the pile was the shadow Emperor - and I can't help but think there is a lot more to that story than we have been told so far.

The Rule of man in my view is closer to the British Raj - foreign invaders placing themselves in positions of power above the natives. Military dictatorship is close, but I think the real situation a bit more complex.

The Third Imperium is more like an Italian American organised crime syndicate...
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the lowest level of popular elections only includes a small minority of the population
well the rest of the population gets 3/5 of a vote, doesn't it? ....

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The Hive Federation is another, even looser, government. Im not sure how to classify it.
how would a human classify an alien government?
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The Rule of man in my view is closer to the British Raj - foreign invaders placing themselves in positions of power above the natives.
well that only worked because the natives were divided, same reason the british were able to conquer india at all and hold it with, what, a mere 200,000 troops for 200 years? suppose that was why the rom failed, removing the vilani status quo unleashed all the divisions that had existed before and the terran navy was unable to contain it.
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a mere crime syndicate would not have been able to militarily defeat and hold back an organized entity like the zhodani, or even the vargr. a crime syndicate can deploy a few bus-loads of enforcers, that's all, it could never field a navy or army. clearly the imperium is organized around some central premise with which at least the majority agrees and is willing to defend for centuries.
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a mere crime syndicate would not have been able to militarily defeat and hold back an organized entity like the zhodani, or even the vargr. a crime syndicate can deploy a few bus-loads of enforcers, that's all, it could never field a navy or army. clearly the imperium is organized around some central premise with which at least the majority agrees and is willing to defend for centuries.
It was an elite feudal society which does superficially resemble a crime family. It did also resemble the Roman Empire - there was an elite governing Patrician Class, and the Plebians that had a large degree of self rule so long as taxes got paid, and they supplied troops for war. Rome tore itself up in the end, as much self inflicted as invaded.
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In my view, given the restriction of no Faster-than-Light communications, no large interstellar empire can function. At best, you might be able to tolerate a 3 months communication lag each way, but even that is pushing it in the event of a major crises on the border. You might be able to manage something like the British Commonwealth, where independent empires are collectively ruled by a titular sovereign and agree to assist each other in an emergency, with no real government over the various groups.
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What was the communication lag time of the British Empire? Or the Mongol Empire for that matter.
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