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Old November 1st, 2004, 04:19 PM
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I can't remember exactly where I saw it discussed but Asimov's Foundation trilogy [which later expanded] was a strong influence on Traveller. Early classic Traveller that is. I just saw copies of the early novels in a bookstore and thumbing through them I noticed some strong similarities in tone and technology. I started Foundation years ago but never finsihed it.

For those of you who have read some or all of the books --

Is there a strong link between the two? Does any one remember where this link was discussed? [Book 1-2-3?]
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Old November 1st, 2004, 04:33 PM
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It's very similar in the sense that there's an interstellar empire, psychohistory, and the emperor in Foundation is called Cleon. [img]smile.gif[/img]

There are no aliens in the original trilogy though. And the whole trilogy centres around a collapse into a Long Night (which makes me wonder why people complain about MT and TNE, when Traveller was only being true to one of its major influences...).

Like you, I tried reading Foundation ages ago and didn't finish it. Then I picked it up again the other year and read all three books. They're pretty good - I suggest you pick it up again.
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Old November 1st, 2004, 05:01 PM
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"It's very similar in the sense that there's an interstellar empire, psychohistory, and the emperor in Foundation is called Cleon."

That part must be pure coincedence.

"There are no aliens in the original trilogy though."

Cool. Aliens are just humans in furry suits right?

"And the whole trilogy centres around a collapse into a Long Night (which makes me wonder why people complain about MT and TNE, when Traveller was only being true to one of its major influences...)."

Maybe those people only like a past wreckage of society and more upbeat future?

"Like you, I tried reading Foundation ages ago and didn't finish it. Then I picked it up again the other year and read all three books. They're pretty good - I suggest you pick it up again."

Like many others I know I lost interest in SF at certain point in my teens but I was thinking of taking a stab at the trilogy again.
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Old November 1st, 2004, 05:18 PM
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Well worth it for the first three books. After that it tended to drift, combine with Asimov's robot books, then looped around for prequals. I especially like the Mule section of Foundation and Empire.

As Asimov himself had said it's Gibbon's Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire in Space written from the POV of someone in the Second Galatic Empire. Asimov's writing style can be a bit dry but trudge through the first book which is really more a collection of short stories anyway.

It was one of my first SF reads and I still have my original copies. It has merchant princes (yes the exact wording), scouts, psionics of a sort, big ships, etc. . Trantor’s pretty much how I picture Capitol and it has to be an influence for Coruscant. The prequals set during the Empire seemed a bit drab to me though I never managed to finish the first one.

The books are not a major downer to me, the whole theme being saving and rekindling civilization before it collapses completely from inertia. Bringing about the second empire in a 1000 years instead of 30,000 by manipulation using psychohistory. Hum, that sounds familiar. [img]graemlins/file_23.gif[/img]

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Old November 1st, 2004, 05:31 PM
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"It has merchant princes (yes the exact wording), scouts, psionics of a sort, big ships, etc. . Trantor’s pretty much how I picture Capitol and it has to be an influence for Coruscant."

And a form of jump space of I recall....called something else like hyperspace....
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Old November 1st, 2004, 05:47 PM
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Yes. Foundation p. 4 "He had steeled himself just a little for the Jump through hyper-space".

Just came across a reference to a grav "throne of rhodium-iridium alloy" for a minor planet's king. (p. 141) And there is the Encyclopedia Galactica.

Do keep in mind, especially for the pre-Trilogy proto-Foundation stories, there are some references to atomic energy and radiation from before they were fully understood.

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Old November 1st, 2004, 06:53 PM
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Do keep in mind, especially for the pre-Trilogy proto-Foundation stories, there are some references to atomic energy and radiation from before they were fully understood.
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Just avoid Foundation's Edge, and Foundation and Earth.
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Originally posted by secretagent:
Do you mean understood by the characters or understood by Asimov?!
Both? Well IIRC the stories that were later combined in Foundation were written before 1945 so there are some references to people standing near open sources of radiation etc. . Nothing major but I remember Asimov mentioning it in one of the proto-Foundation books which after checking are called the Empire series. Pebble in the Sky is the one I'm thinking of. It involves the main character getting transported into the future by radiation that would in reality just kill him.

Wikipedia has a nice article on the Foundation books here though I'd recomend skimming it carefully until you've read the first three books.

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I have often used M:0 and Foundation as interchangable Milieus. As I tend to ignore that Cleon actually wanted to be crowned Emperor that was more Artemus' rewriting of history. Otherwise, if you look at there are strong parallels between the rise of the Foundation & the Third Imperium.

I am sure Marc would confirm that Asimov in all his forms was a strong inspiration for Traveller although not as much as some of the other pulp writers like Piper, Heinlein, Clarke.
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