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Old May 24th, 2019, 01:27 PM
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Wondering why the revised version now has "Barracks" (no. 24 on Level 3), in addition to the Passenger and Crew staterooms. Barracks implies troops/marines of some sort. I think that the Armed Packet could make an excellent vessel for ferrying important governmental personnel (ambassadors, system/major planetary senior administrators), and a barracks would allow for an armed escort/security team to accompany the principal and his/her staff.
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Hmm, I dunno. A sweet spot for an ACS to me includes at least enough room for 2 ATVs or Gcarriers and base supplies, for exploring/exploiting or mercing. So a minimum of 25 tons cargo.


That means carving out 10 tons somewhere, I'm thinking 2 staterooms and 2 tons out of the barracks. That's 11 people outside ship crew, plus barracks if that hasn't been transformed into some other mission room.
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Keep your focus on the mission of this ship.

It is to deliver high value cargo, mail and passengers, quickly.

It is not a general trader, explorer, scout, paramilitary or other type of vessel.

Does it need subcraft? - no. It is streamlined and has the m-drive performance to cope with any world it may visit.
Does it need weapons? - yes in order to qualify as a mail carrier.
Does it need a troop barracks? - nope (according to the rules a barracks is for troops, not ship crew or passengers).
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I agree with mike wightman that as configured this Armed Packet design has certain features not in keeping with its stated purpose of armed mail carrier. That said, I can see this particular configuration as a modified version of the standard Armed Packet, and one suitable for use by government agencies as interstellar transport for high ranking diplomats/administrators (and a small staff and security contingent), but who aren't in the top-most tier(s) of their bureaucracy (the Director, Chief, Duke, what-have- you probably has a larger and more luxuriously-outfitted ship). Air Force One is just a highly customized Boeing 747-200B
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I agree with mike wightman that as configured this Armed Packet design has certain features not in keeping with its stated purpose of armed mail carrier. That said, I can see this particular configuration as a modified version of the standard Armed Packet, and one suitable for use by government agencies as interstellar transport for high ranking diplomats/administrators (and a small staff and security contingent), but who aren't in the top-most tier(s) of their bureaucracy (the Director, Chief, Duke, what-have- you probably has a larger and more luxuriously-outfitted ship). Air Force One is just a highly customized Boeing 747-200B
Where are the best places to read more about these armed packets? Either the canon or fanon versions?

There are some links at the wiki, but they have not been well developed out yet.

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I don't know if they have had a proper write up yet. The concept borrows from the historical packet boats, the ultimate expression of which was probably the clipper.

Packet boats began as coastal vessels plying European waters delivering mail, high value but small cargos and of course passengers. They were adapted to the task of carrying said loads around the far flung empires of the European powers.

In Traveller terms it is going to have to have reasonable jump legs - three for this design is the sweet spot for me - and have the capacity to carry mail, a small to moderate cargo hold for expensive trade goods (forget freight - speculative goods is how this thing makes credits) and enough cargo capacity for a typical passenger roster for the worlds it flits between.
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How about something like this...

Packet ships are a class of small merchantmen in the 200-400 ton range designed to fill the gaps left by the trade lanes that follow the x-boat routes. They may be operated by planetary governments, private individuals or corporations, they may even be assigned by a subsector duke concerned with developing the economy of their subsector.

Their purpose is to carry mail, passengers and high value cargo quickly from the trade hubs to the more distant worlds within a subsector, worlds often economically unreachable with smaller jump number drives.

A packet ship will typically be fully atmospheric capable, have a 2-3g drive for normal space operation and a jump 3 or 4 drive.

In order to qualify for mail contracts and planetary subsidies a frontier packet ship is routinely armed and is thus designated as an armed packet.

Originally packet ships were often military surplus couriers or dispatch ships, either purchased or leased for civilian use. They have proven so useful for stimulating the frontier economy that purpose built packets have all but replaced the older military designs.
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Keep your focus on the mission of this ship.

It is to deliver high value cargo, mail and passengers, quickly.

It is not a general trader, explorer, scout, paramilitary or other type of vessel.

Does it need subcraft? - no. It is streamlined and has the m-drive performance to cope with any world it may visit.
Does it need weapons? - yes in order to qualify as a mail carrier.
Does it need a troop barracks? - nope (according to the rules a barracks is for troops, not ship crew or passengers).

Sure, that's the original mission design.


However, an ACS needs modification from that design. This design won't hack most needs.
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At which point it ceases to be an armed packet - design something that meets the needs of the party of adventurers.
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These are all useful comments -- I appreciate the thoughts. T5 is the only official source that I am aware of for the armed packet, and I'll use v5.09 as reference. I think some of the incoherence around the ship mission is baked into T5. While the name of the ship type ("packet") implies a mail or courier service based on historical usage, the actual T5 descriptions suggest passenger transport.

Packet appears as a specific mission associated with passengers on page 286. The full taxonomy is Commerce/Merchant/Unscheduled/Passenger, and packets are assigned code U. A Type A Trader, by contrast, is Commerce/Merchant/Unscheduled/Cargo.

This is reiterated on page 287: "For unscheduled routes: a Packet carries primarily passengers, a Trader carries primarily cargo, a Transport carries primarily freight."

We have an illustration on page 738, and the following description: "Armed Packet (UF-CA33) in [sic] unscheduled passenger service for those in a hurry. The crew can be trusted, but these little ships still find themselves jumping in harm’s way."

And that, as far as I know, consists of all canonical information there is on armed packets.

Keep in mind, this design is a translation of Rob Eagleston's T5 design. Given that Rob is close to Marc, I thought that was a pretty good place to start. Rob included both mail and passenger missions in the design -- which seems reasonable to me. So there are staterooms, a 1 ton mail vault, and barracks for the the ship's gunners (which are required for mail contracts). I suppose they could just be called "Gunners' Quarters" instead of barracks, if that is a sticking point.

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