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Old November 30th, 2016, 11:27 AM
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Gateway to Destiny, set in 990, lists no less than 14 "Imperial Ursa" worlds in Ley Sector.

The T5SS data for 1105 only has Ursa on 2 worlds -- 600,000 on Khush (1804), listed as the Ursa homeworld, and another 150,000 on Miip (0819).

What has happened here? While Gateway says "Ursa are still quite rare, and live in small communities on several worlds" (36), they were a PC race in T20 and the GenAssist purge occured during the Rule of Man nearly 3,000 years ago.

So I can seeing rolling them back, but maybe not that far back?
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That is a substantial roll back, isn't it? While I've never been a fan of the Ursa or T20's four-armed geeks whose name I can't remember, that's quite a pruning.

Weren't the number of Droyne worlds cut back in T5SS too? Maybe they're making "room" for all the previously unknown NILs T5 suddenly gave us. Maybe they don't like the Ursa. Maybe they're dialing back all the non-GDW minor races. Maybe it's just something they want to do.

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Gateway to Destiny, set in 990, lists no less than 14 "Imperial Ursa" worlds in Ley Sector.

The T5SS data for 1105 only has Ursa on 2 worlds -- 600,000 on Khush (1804), listed as the Ursa homeworld, and another 150,000 on Miip (0819).

What has happened here? While Gateway says "Ursa are still quite rare, and live in small communities on several worlds" (36), they were a PC race in T20 and the GenAssist purge occured during the Rule of Man nearly 3,000 years ago.

So I can seeing rolling them back, but maybe not that far back?
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That is a substantial roll back, isn't it? While I've never been a fan of the Ursa or T20's four-armed geeks whose name I can't remember, that's quite a pruning.
Sydites... The improbable and rather ridiculous Sydites.
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Sad to hear this. The Ursas we're some of my favorites.
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Sydites... The improbable and rather ridiculous Sydites.
I like the sydites...
And the "improbability" as an evolved is inherently NOT a problem - they're genetic mods by the ancients. Given the variations on what they did to Vargr, at least SOME of them had the skill to add limbs....
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There are also two Ursa communities in Fornast, and two in Corridor.
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I like the sydites...
And the "improbability" as an evolved is inherently NOT a problem - they're genetic mods by the ancients. Given the variations on what they did to Vargr, at least SOME of them had the skill to add limbs....
I know about their back history. They're in the part of the 'verse I use. I just don't see what an extra pair of arms buys. Being brutes for manual labor is reasonable, assuming you don't substitute technology. After all, digging a ditch is better done with a backhoe than with brutes using picks and shovels...
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I know about their back history. They're in the part of the 'verse I use. I just don't see what an extra pair of arms buys. Being brutes for manual labor is reasonable, assuming you don't substitute technology. After all, digging a ditch is better done with a backhoe than with brutes using picks and shovels...
What it buys is:
  • the ability to handle/carry boxes (and/or children) far more stably
  • To hold the tool and the workpiece at the same time.

Many the day I wanted a third hand to hold something
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Gateway to Destiny, set in 990, lists no less than 14 "Imperial Ursa" worlds in Ley Sector.

The T5SS data for 1105 only has Ursa on 2 worlds -- 600,000 on Khush (1804), listed as the Ursa homeworld, and another 150,000 on Miip (0819).

What has happened here? While Gateway says "Ursa are still quite rare, and live in small communities on several worlds" (36), they were a PC race in T20 and the GenAssist purge occured during the Rule of Man nearly 3,000 years ago.

So I can seeing rolling them back, but maybe not that far back?
I looked through the Gateway to Destiny as well and found the 13 IU worlds.
Mur Mura (0614), is listed as IUL in the book, Traveller Map has it listed as IL for the 990 data, so not included in the count.

Miip (0819) and Khush (1804) are the Ursa worlds in 1105.

Tomauu (1110) in 990 has 4 billion population, and is one of the Ursa worlds. In 1105 the world is listed as Arum (1110), and has lost roughly a billion sophonts in the last century, and is now a Luriani cultural world. This is 25% of the population gone.

If you want to build a story about the history of the Ursa, here might be an interesting starting point. The ongoing war between the Ursa and the Luriani.

During the Rim War, the political in the Gateway domain were numerous. I can only imagine the Luriani, wanting to increase their poltical power, found the Ursa an impediment.
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