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I very much doubt he can explain how it gets enough food, water and oxygen, how it moves its own mass without breaking its own body apart etc. without a totally implausible handwave.
A quick google of the physical limit to land animal size throws up some pretty inescapable physics - energy requirements, heat management, etc.

Hmm, low grav/high atmo worlds might produce larger animals then our mix of grav and energy/heat exchange/structural issues.


Maybe in tandem with gigantic airsacs, so it's part blimp? Methane-based atmo, separates out the hydrogen for the sacs then 'burns' it on exhale for internal fuel?
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And high oxygen: one reason posited for megafauna of the past was a much higher percentage of oxygen.

See: https://www.scientificamerican.com/a...evolved-thank/

See: https://news.nationalgeographic.com/...imals-science/
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Matt and I were discussing some material I wrote for JTAS defining the "collopha": a 100,000 ton land animal, which is specifically supposed to be able to haul crashed spaceships to a downport, and its game stats.
Sounds nifty.

I have no idea how to make it work within existing game mechanics. I can think on it.

Sounds like it might be better to design it as a vehicle.
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A man can pull a railroad train car on level tracks
Stopping it, however, is a different problem.
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Stopping it, however, is a different problem.
not really; given enough distance, he can. Whether or not that's practical is a whole different kettle of fish.
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I very much doubt he can explain how it gets enough food, water and oxygen, how it moves its own mass without breaking its own body apart etc. without a totally implausible handwave.
A quick google of the physical limit to land animal size throws up some pretty inescapable physics - energy requirements, heat management, etc.
Skip the handwave, I want a herd of those things. Organically-grown bonded superdense exoskeleton or bones, no idea what the muscles are made of but there's GOT to be a market for that... vascular system running at some astonishing pressures...

What TL can you grow them at?

Oh, and don't worry about heat management. This is Traveller, after all. We don't DO heat management.
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Skip the handwave, I want a herd of those things. Organically-grown bonded superdense exoskeleton or bones, no idea what the muscles are made of but there's GOT to be a market for that... vascular system running at some astonishing pressures...

What TL can you grow them at?

Oh, and don't worry about heat management. This is Traveller, after all. We don't DO heat management.
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Well the pdf with this beast in it is out.

My verdict - it is as ridiculous as I thought it would be. Actually it is probably worse since it tries to say these things are common in the Imperium and were bioengineered by the Second Imperium and are hunted by Aslan war bands... Mongoose rule of kewel strikes again.

No explanation of how a 100,000t animal gets enough food, a totally implausible 'it has internal hydrogen filled sacks to help support its weight'; it is a cartoon animal, not a serious addition to the Imperial setting. But apparently they are now canonically all over the Third Imperium

These things are totally biologically, energetically and physically impossible. Perfect for a Loony Tunes cartoon universe, they have no place in a science based setting.
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That phrasing and spelling ("kewel") suggests that you are the same person making the same complaint as on the Mongoose forums, so I will say here what I said there.

1) They cut part of the material I submitted, such as the portions intended to explain how it exists (how it feeds, for instance). I am asking Mongoose about that - if they intend to add it back in, if I can put it into a wiki article about the creature, or what. My hunch is that they will allow me to at least put the material on the wiki.

2) Like it or not, Mongoose is a licenseholder. Anything they say is OTU canon, is OTU canon unless overruled by Marc Miller. You are not Marc Miller.

2a) But, as with most elements of the setting, you don't have to use them in YTU if you don't want to. (For instance, the arc-field weapon has only appeared in Mongoose books so far. Don't want those to exist in YTU? Then they don't. Same principle here.)
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No, I am not Marc Miller and can not decide on what he consider canonical for the OTU.

But I can point to material that has no place in a science based setting, and definitely not the OTU.

Just because something is in JTAS it is not necessarily canonical for the OTU - there was stuff in the original JTAS that is not canonical for the OTU (interstellar teleportation talent for example).
Mongoose 'canon' is only canon for their ATU version of the Third Imperium.

Your megabeast is totally scientifically impossible. Can it be explained by ingame superscience handwave technobabble? I very much doubt it but I can be convinced if it is a plausible insetting explanation. If I can accept the Cymbeline silicon based life forms and Virus I can accept this

Is it a herbivore, carnivore, or omnivore? Have you calculated how much energy is needed to move a 100000t animal at a speed of 2m/s?. It's muscles have to be provided with 200MW of power, and that assumes 100% efficiency, which they can not be. That's only a fraction of its energy needs since it has to maintain its metabolism as well as move itself.
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