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Old July 3rd, 2009, 12:03 AM
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Actually, AT, the question is why do ships over 1000tons need more than the 20Td minimum?

What exactly does that 20Td represent?
Larger than 10 man Bridge Crews.

The part that bothers me is the trading of Equipment for Bridge Crew as the ship get's larger.

I could accept a design assumption that all starships require comparable 20 ton bridges, but then they all need similar spaces for crew and the supporting equipment.

Looking at this in aircraft terms, I could accept that a Boeing 707 and a Boeing 747 both need a three man crew and 10 cubic meters of avionics. I cannot accept that a Piper Cub and a 747 both have the same size cockpit, but the Piper has a single pilot seat and a huge avionics suite while the 747 has a 6 man flight crew and an avionics suite that fits in a lunch box. That is just wierd.
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Meh, 4 tons is awfully tight for a 100 ton ship. It seems to me that there is an absolute minimum size for a bridge. The cockpits of all the middle to large airliners are fairly similar in size, and frankly a "Scout Ship" would need a bit more space than a frieghter, just for all the advanced comms and sensors that are thier stock in trade.
1. If the scout ship followed your example, its bridge would need the same 3 to 5 man crew as any other freighter. Then the one-size-fits-all bridge makes sense, but the crew rules are wrong.

2. The "advanced comms and sensors" are a red herring. ANY 100 ton ship reguardless of its mission would require 20 tons of bridge. If the comms and sensors are indeed exceptional, then the Scout Bridge needs ADDITIONAL tonnage above and beyond the basic 20 ton commercial bridge that even a tanker would need.
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The Type S deckplan is actually pretty reasonable IF you presume the upper and lower decks are half-height.
It is fairly close in overall tonnage, but the commons is too large (unless one counts it as bridge, which is a stretch) and it comes nowhere near fitting in the hull.


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I went and counted out 1.5m cubes and dreafted them up in CC2...
I neglected to respond earlier, but nice plan. Probably a little tight at the edges, but MUCH better than the original. I actually created a 3D model of the hull and sliced it to calculate the shapes and headrooms for the various decks. A blocky plan (like yours and the official plans) end up with sloping floors and roofs that render half of the staterooms unusable. I couldn't create a deckplan that functioned well within the hull - too many thin wedges.
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I did mine with minimal wedging. You'll note that the cargo areas off the commons (which said commons are mixed bridge and stateroom) are not full height the whole way, either.

It's a T20 design (with HG conversion notes), so it came out with well more than 3 tons of cargo space....
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