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Old August 2nd, 2008, 01:39 AM
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In my case, I have no desire for it to fail.

However, I also feel obligated to point out to those who ask where it isn't Edition-X. Informed purchases are usually less jolting.

It also avoids the "WTF did I just F*NG BUY!?!" crap.
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I hope it succeeds beyond Mongoose and Marc's wildest expectations so that supplements and adventures keep appearing for the next 10 years at least.

From the Mongoose feedback it does seem to be selling well, and that's before they release their Starship Troopers and Strontium Dog etc. Traveller based settings.

Could it have been better? Yes. (CT+ and a proto-Traveller setting )

Is it a good basic rules set for a Traveller game? Most definitely yes.

I would be interested to see how many new people it has brought to Traveller.
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I don't believe anybody wants it to fail.
I do believe some people dont like it.
I do believe that these people have a right to say so, and why to give others the info needed to make up their minds, before they spend.
I also believe that it has sold enough and has enough of a base that it will be succesful, even if these hypothetical people want it to fail.
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Right now it seems that Mongoose Traveller has an excellent chance to be-
come the second best selling RPG of 2008, and even the German version
seems to have a good start.

So, if there really were people who wanted MGT to fail, they obviously would
not have succeeded, they even would not have made any real difference -
MGT is an obvious success, far more so than almost anyone could have ex-
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I think that there are some very vocal individuals who would like to see particular versions of Traveller fail so that everyone could unite under the MGT banner and true happiness achieved. I don't know how it compares with other games issued in multiple editions over an extended period of time, but there seems to be an awful lot of factionalism associated with the game. Personally, I've been very turned off by it, I think there's room enough under the generic Traveller banner for all of us.

I believe that some people are motivated by the idea that if MGT doesn't succeed it will be the deathknell for Traveller but the same thing was said when MegaTraveller was published and now, many editions later, it's still here.

Sorry for the vent.
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I think that there are some very vocal individuals who would like to see particular versions of Traveller fail so that everyone could unite under the MGT banner and true happiness achieved.
I have not seen that attitude yet, although it might well be there, conside-
ring the mentality of some parts of the Traveller fandom.

"Version Wars" are not exactly rare in the RPG world. Compared to the way
the fans of the old and the new World of Darkness attacked each other for
a while, the Traveller "version battlefield" has been a very quiet one since
the time TNE was published.

Personally, I do not mind at all to which version the Traveller material I use
belongs to, I only judge it by its value for my setting and campaign. Pocket
Empires is just as welcome as GURPS Traveller Starports or the Traveller's
Aide series material.
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It really seems to me that some people around here want the new version of Traveller to fail.

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Is it because they are so locked into the nostalagia of the past that they can't recognize that a game has to evolve or it will die?
I don't think I've seen anyone saying they want MGT to fail. Why would any Traveller fan want that?

One of the main problems is that it *isn't* an evolution - rather than build on the last 30 years of improvements it's tried to pretend they never happened.

Fortunately, MGT seems to be succeeding despite its faults, but that doesn't excuse them.
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I don't think of it as people wanting Traveller to fail, as having an entrenched vision of the version they are attached to be the definitive version. And being unwilling to rationally discuss other points of view.

This came to a head, IMO, with the Virus setting. I was just coming online and seeing the online Traveller community at that time and I couldn't beleive the crap I was seeing spewed forth. But through all those flamewars, I never thought anyone wanted to see Traveller fail. In fact, I think the opposite was (and is) true; the players are so passionate about the game that they get caught up in their own vision of it.

I agree with a lot of the others here - many different versions of Traveller just means a lot of different source material with a Traveller brand on it. Which is a good thing.
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I have not seen that attitude yet, although it might well be there, considering the mentality of some parts of the Traveller fandom.
I was thinking of a particular post of a particular forum where that sentiment was pretty much baldly expressed. I don't think it's pervasive either but I do find it disappointing.
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