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Why is the IISS siding with anyone but Lucan, the legitimate Emperor?
Thats what MT:RS (page 41) tells...
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Why is the IISS siding with anyone but Lucan, the legitimate Emperor?
Why is the Imperial Navy siding with anyone but Lucan, the legitimate emperor? Or the Imperial Army? Or the Imperial Ministry of Justice? Or any of the other myriad Imperial ministries, offices, organizations?

Did the IISS close up shop when Daibei ignored Lucan's fleet deployment orders thus declaring de facto independence? Or did they start working for Duke Craig instead?

We know how "noble riddled" the upper reaches of the Navy are, but are the upper reaches of any Imperial ministry any less free of the nobility? When the nobility fractured why wouldn't the part of the ministries they control fracture too?
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Thats what MT:RS (page 41) tells...
That's not quite what it says, it says Strephon turned to the IISS within his sector.

That is very different to turning the entire IISS across the Imperium to his side - do you really think the IISS in Lucan's Imperium is suddenly going to switch sides because a surgical double/clone/robot/hologram tells them to? Why doesn't the IISS network communicate with Margaret that Strephon is the real Strephon - apart from the reason that at the time the Rebellion Sourcebook was written the real Strephon retcon has not been forced by the fan base?
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Why is the IISS siding with anyone but Lucan, the legitimate Emperor?
Everybody in Iilesh thinks Dulinor is the legitimate Emperor. (If you accept "the 'right' of assassination".) It says so on TV &c. TV &c says that everybody else accepts his claim. Ergo he must be the rightful Emperor. And gainsaying him will cause no end of trouble for you. IISS in that region goes along with the flow.

The late-comer factions watch as Lucan demonstrates that he desperately needs advice but won't listen to a word anybody offers him. They start thinking about how to get a safe distance away from him. In the case of IISS, the starships and crews can physically get away if they can't persuade other people to also ignore Lucan's demands.

If "the real Strephon" really IS Emperor Strephon (somehow come back from the dead ), then HE is the legitimate Emperor and rallying to him is an act of loyalty not treason. If it wasn't for the live footage of him getting shot dead in the throne room, this would be an easy option to follow.
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Is he legitimate? I don't see him as such.
The moot is the sole arbiter of who is the emperor - when he bans it from meeting, he ends the his imperial claim's legitimacy.
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That is very different to turning the entire IISS across the Imperium to his side...

I don't anyone is suggesting that Mike.

I can't speak for the others but I'm suggesting the IISS and other ministries fracture just like the Navy and indeed the Imperium does. Thus you could have someone belonging to Lucan's part of the IISS working in Strephon's territory while masquerading as a member of Strephon's part of the IISS.

Wash, rinse, and repeat that with every other ministry and every other faction.
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That's my understanding of the situation too - that the apparatus of the Imperium shattered along the fraction lines.

McPerth's statement sounded like he was saying the whole IISS defects to Strephon, which is not the case, my question of why turn against Lucan is not a serious questioning of IISS motives or Imperium wide allegiance, rather a clumsy statement that the IISS in Lucan's Imperium will be loyal to Lucan, the IISS within Strephon's area is loyal Strephon, but who knows how the IISS views the other claimants to the throne in the other areas, they likely just keep doing their job maintaining the x-boat routes, conducting surveys etc.


It's one of the reasons I suggested the IISS Security Branch - they are likely to be fairly neutral to most fractions initially - when Windhoek flees and the bloodhound goes after him the fractions haven't splintered as yet.
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It's one of the reasons I suggested the IISS Security Branch - they are likely to be fairly neutral to most fractions initially - when Windhoek flees and the bloodhound goes after him the fractions haven't splintered as yet.

That's precisely the reason why I wouldn't make Gavery a member of the Security Branch or any other non-factionalized organization.

If Gavery has to full weight of the Security Branch, MoJ, or other ministry behind him, finding Windhoek automatically means Windhoek is captured. There's no brake, nothing to stay Gavery's hand, nothing to keep the handcuffs off Windhoek's wrists. All Gavery needs to do is hold up the arrest warrant, point at Windhoek, and take possession his man with the full cooperation of any local authorities.

Factionalized ministries nerf Gavery to a point where he can be encountered without Windhoek automatically being arrested.
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Attached is a "quick & dirty" Amber Zone built around the "blackmail" idea I stole from other sources. It's "chatty" and could use a good editing, but it's good enough for a first pass.

Fold, spindle, mutilate, and/or throw away.
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I'm attaching Blackmail and Prison Break to the scenarios, to be updated, um, maybe tonight.

I'm also adding Gavery (I have a Vilanicized name for him, but it slips my mind at the mo).

I may just tack on that Patron Encounter/Amber Zone mashup you wrote. If I do, I'm likely to add one of those short-paragraph starship descriptions of a typical Type A for quick use. And then I just may gen up a sample crew of 4.


TODAY I thought that the supplement could be re-cast as an Imperial Bulletin, like an All-Points Bulletin -- in other words, THE order to capture Windhoek dead or alive, and a data feed to aid his would-be hunters.
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