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Old August 28th, 2013, 12:26 AM
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(OOC) The contract between this guy and Ixion shouldn't be our concern
Nonsense. You should want to understand exactly why he wants to do this deal in this way - which is because of his contract w Ixion.

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- we are third parties not bound by a contract between them. Of course the company may not see it that way, either, but in the worst case scenario if Ixion was to send someone after us to claim "their" ores we could throw them Vulpinerrin and see if we can cut a deal for the ores with them.

The escort ship combined with this guy's attitude gives me some pause - I think there is more here than meets the eye (duh) so maybe we should think about this.
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How much do we stand to net from the deal?
Kinda depends on what deal you make, doesn't it? As for what he has offered you, if you accept that deal then you will own a quarter-ton of lanthanum on which you can expect to make at least a 20-30% profit. Plus you will get 20% of his profit on his lanthanum, which he is expecting to be at least Cr500k/ton, which would let you make Cr100k/ton.

In other words, more profit on 12 tons of lanthanum than you've made adding together every scrap of profit since you took over this ship.

Plus whatever profit comes on the rest of the rare metals, and the 50 tons of wood that you are carrying as spec cargo (which sells very well on In or Ex worlds).

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What do we know of this company he is trying to "cheat"??
According to what he told you, he isn't cheating anybody. He is leaving behind the 15 tons required by the contract. As to what you know of Ixion Corporation, read the Urlaqqash Subsector description of the Ixion system.

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Maybe we should ask around a bit - if he is in such a hurry to get this stuff off-world we are likely the only real chance he has. Maybe that Type A could/would do it, but I think we have a little time before they get here to do some quick research.?
Was wondering if anybody remembered them. Maybe you ought to check on their ETA.

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I'm not terribly comfortable having an escort out here. Yes, there by reavers and all but this guy might be trying to set us up, too.
Really? Set you up by risking over Cr60M of lanthanum plus assorted other rare metals for a ship worth, what, maybe the same Cr60M on a good day?

You don't think it might just be that he is concerned about shipping over Cr60M with some people he's never met before and has no references from? And that even if he decides to trust you, there are still those pirates out there?

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(So, back in character)..."Well, this sounds like a deal too good to pass up but I'm wondering why, if you can provide one to us as escort, you don't use that same escort to haul the ore?"
He looks at Hampton with great concern, as if he can't decide whether Hampton is testing him in some way, or really lacking in understanding himself. "We have two Gazelle Class Close Escorts on this planet, our tiny excuse for a Navy instead of fielding some real SDBs. I may be able to use my influence to get one of them for this trip, certainly not both. Do you know the cargo capacity of one of those ships? Six tons!" He shakes his head, and mops his brow again with his handkerchief.

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"Oh, and what would Ixion do to you if they found out about this deal?"
He is really frowning now. "That depends a lot on when they find out. Obviously they will learn of it eventually, and there may be litigation over it, but my attorney assures me that I am legally in the right. If their ship arrives before I get this load off-planet, however, they could get an injunction to stop me from moving the load, and tie things up in the courts for years while attorneys argue about the contract."

He speaks very slowly and carefully now, as if to someone hard of hearing: "I. Want. To. Ship. This. Load. Before. That. Happens."

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"This sounds like a fantastic offer, Mr. Vulpinerrim. I do, however, have some concerns."

"Moving such a valuable cargo... it comes with risks. We're not just worrying about losing money if this goes south, we could very well lose our lives or our ship. Not to mention, if we're spending 1.25 million on a quarter-ton of Lanthanum, we don't have much left to spend on upgrades that might make the difference if we're attacked." [OOC: Kalos is definitely NOT going to go into much detail about the state of the ship's turrets at the moment, just in case Vulpinerrim is... less than trustworthy.]

"To top it off, if we get to a market and this deal falls through, we make nothing. I think we need to discuss this amongst ourselves a bit further. Would you prefer to wait on hold, or would you like us to call you back?"
"Take your time," he glowers. "I have another call to make." He reaches forward and the screen goes black.
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[OOC: How well does Donoma know Mr Vulpinerrin? I know and trust Wallis, and she seemed primarily nervous that this would attract unsavory folk to steal the metals. Was there anything amiss with her? roll: 10 ]
Plain and straightforward, if you re-read your conversation with her. She was excited about the success of the new vein, and worried about where to keep it somewhere safe.
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See edit to post #281 above in which Vulpinerrin terminates call.
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Max was taking a break and getting a glass of sweet tea from the galley when the strange call and activity in the commons caught his attention. So he quietly followed and eavesdropped on the conversation on the bridge.
[OOC: Really? They went to the Bridge at a customer's request for privacy but just accidentally left the iris valve open? No.]

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After the call, he tells the captain about a plan he used in the navy to act like a merchant, but ambush attackers when they attempt to board ... It has some applicability to this situation. Max outlines his idea for 'The Shell Game':
[OOC: The "Navy" that Max was in was a force of Drexiltharan raiders. They aren't a real Navy trying to defend their homeworlds against piracy, they are raiders and pirates going out to attack anyone they can reach. Sure, that isn't the story Max was told, but why would they possibly ever use a trick like this?]
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[OOC: Really? They went to the Bridge at a customer's request for privacy but just accidentally left the iris valve open? No.]



[OOC: The "Navy" that Max was in was a force of Drexiltharan raiders. They aren't a real Navy trying to defend their homeworlds against piracy, they are raiders and pirates going out to attack anyone they can reach. Sure, that isn't the story Max was told, but why would they possibly ever use a trick like this?]
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A suicide car bomb and aircraft are both battle strategies common throughout the 20th century.
A suicide small craft seemed a logical extension of that line of thought. YMMV.
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Donoma looks at Kalos and Hampton, a bit shocked. "I know you don't know me from Eve, and I suppose I could be in on whatever scheme is supposedly cooked up, so my vouching for him maybe doesn't carry a lot of weight. However, do keep in mind that I told you about this shipment before we talked about hiring me. I did that for a reason - so it wasn't seen as part of any deal to hire me. I did it as a favor for my friend Wallis, regardless of whether you hired me.

"You bet they're nervous - this is a balde ŝarĝo of profit. Sxeol, this is probably worth 30kCr to every soul on his crews just with that increase in the price. That's a lot of money to these miners and their families for a single bonus.

"Anyway, he's a straight-up sort of fellow, and I know Wallis wouldn't be in on anything funny."

Donoma crosses her arms and leans back against the bulkhead.
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"Alright, Ruthie. You got any snub pistol ammo you can throw in? If you can, I'll let Bruno shop before we have to get down the road. [winks]
"Why, shore, I can spare a box as a deal closer. You want Tranq, HE, hard rubber, or HEAP? I even have a box of solids, though I don't know why anyone would want them if they had all those other choices."

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"I always say you screw a vender, you lose a vender and gain an enemy. I need no more of those. Figuring out who to shoot can get downright complicated."
"Oh, you got that right! You can never build a good reputation if you even once start trying to rip off or deceive your own customers!"

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Once Bruno has had a chance to poke around they will leave, and give McPherson a call.
Ruthie waves goodbye and tells y'all both to have a good day, and come back again next time you're in port.
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Drexiltharan raiders might send a suicide small craft to take out some planetary defenders, or as a decoy. They'd never have any reason for all that shell game with drugging people and switching cargos around and cutting secret panels into the fuel tanks. They are neither real Navy nor Merchants. They are pirates on a planetary scale, thieves, murderers, extortionists and slavers.
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Drexiltharan raiders might send a suicide small craft to take out some planetary defenders, or as a decoy. They'd never have any reason for all that shell game with drugging people and switching cargos around and cutting secret panels into the fuel tanks. They are neither real Navy nor Merchants. They are pirates on a planetary scale, thieves, murderers, extortionists and slavers.
Maybe someone tried to use that trick *against* the Drexiltharan?
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Nonsense. You should want to understand exactly why he wants to do this deal in this way - which is because of his contract w Ixion.





Kinda depends on what deal you make, doesn't it? As for what he has offered you, if you accept that deal then you will own a quarter-ton of lanthanum on which you can expect to make at least a 20-30% profit. Plus you will get 20% of his profit on his lanthanum, which he is expecting to be at least Cr500k/ton, which would let you make Cr100k/ton.

In other words, more profit on 12 tons of lanthanum than you've made adding together every scrap of profit since you took over this ship.

Plus whatever profit comes on the rest of the rare metals, and the 50 tons of wood that you are carrying as spec cargo (which sells very well on In or Ex worlds).



According to what he told you, he isn't cheating anybody. He is leaving behind the 15 tons required by the contract. As to what you know of Ixion Corporation, read the Urlaqqash Subsector description of the Ixion system.



Was wondering if anybody remembered them. Maybe you ought to check on their ETA.



Really? Set you up by risking over Cr60M of lanthanum plus assorted other rare metals for a ship worth, what, maybe the same Cr60M on a good day?

You don't think it might just be that he is concerned about shipping over Cr60M with some people he's never met before and has no references from? And that even if he decides to trust you, there are still those pirates out there?



He looks at Hampton with great concern, as if he can't decide whether Hampton is testing him in some way, or really lacking in understanding himself. "We have two Gazelle Class Close Escorts on this planet, our tiny excuse for a Navy instead of fielding some real SDBs. I may be able to use my influence to get one of them for this trip, certainly not both. Do you know the cargo capacity of one of those ships? Six tons!" He shakes his head, and mops his brow again with his handkerchief.



He is really frowning now. "That depends a lot on when they find out. Obviously they will learn of it eventually, and there may be litigation over it, but my attorney assures me that I am legally in the right. If their ship arrives before I get this load off-planet, however, they could get an injunction to stop me from moving the load, and tie things up in the courts for years while attorneys argue about the contract."

He speaks very slowly and carefully now, as if to someone hard of hearing: "I. Want. To. Ship. This. Load. Before. That. Happens."



"Take your time," he glowers. "I have another call to make." He reaches forward and the screen goes black.

(OOC) All of the above tells me what I need to know.
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