Traveller Store CotI Features New Posts Mark Forums Read Register


Go Back TravellerRPG.com > Citizens of the Imperium > Random Static > Non-Traveller Gaming

Non-Traveller Gaming A forum specifically for discussing those other games we like to play.

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #31  
Old January 14th, 2020, 02:56 AM
Grav_Moped Grav_Moped is offline
Citizen: SOC-12
 
Join Date: Oct 2016
Posts: 334
Gallery : 0
Grav_Moped Citizen
Default

Nothing heretical at all. It just turns the material's phlogiston into light, causing the material to decay.
Reply With Quote
  #32  
Old January 14th, 2020, 06:44 PM
timerover51's Avatar
timerover51 timerover51 is offline
Citizen: SOC-14
 
Join Date: Sep 2012
Location: North of Chicago
Posts: 6,211
Gallery : 4
Visit timerover51's Blog
timerover51 Beloved Citizentimerover51 Beloved Citizentimerover51 Beloved Citizentimerover51 Beloved Citizentimerover51 Beloved Citizentimerover51 Beloved Citizentimerover51 Beloved Citizentimerover51 Beloved Citizen
Default

I am using primarily the old Basic series of D&D rules, supplemented as needed. The rules have fewer spells than AD&D 1st Edition, but I do need to get out my Little Tan Books to check them.

The First Level Cleric and Magic-user Light spells are the same in terms of effective diameter, 30 feet, and not being the equal of sunlight. Duration is different, with the cleric spell having a flat duration, while the magic-user spell has a variable duration based on caster level.

Continual Light is a Second Level Magic-users Spell, with a 60 foot diameter light not equal to full daylight. Continual Light is a Third Level Clerical Spell, with a 60 foot diameter light EQUAL to full daylight, so not the same. Both can be turned off by their creator.

There is no indication in either Basic or Advanced D&D (1st Edition) that the item the spell is cast on disintegrates. Anything of that nature would be a house rule.
__________________
Star Port Administrator: El Paso, El Paso, Sword Sub-sector, Piper-Norton Out Rim Sector
Link to Piper Sector: http://www.zarthani.net/ridder-mankind_to_the_stars.htm
Do you have a security clearance? New Jan. 25 Blog Entry
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ElI451TxsTg, 3:24 in.
I march to my own set of bagpipes. Caution: This individual thinks that studying logistics is FUN.

They that go down to the sea in ships,
that do business in great waters;
These see the works of the LORD,
and his wonders in the deep.
Reply With Quote
  #33  
Old January 14th, 2020, 10:53 PM
Condottiere Condottiere is offline
Citizen: SOC-14
 
Join Date: Nov 2013
Posts: 3,071
Gallery : 0
Condottiere Citizen++Condottiere Citizen++Condottiere Citizen++Condottiere Citizen++
Default

I pulled out volume one of Wizard's Spell Compendium, Advanced Dungeons and Dragons Second.

It's as bright as full daylight, however you define that, at whatever season or geographical location.

It can also be cast in the air, and you have to wonder how that works: humidity, dust or air molecule, and if that's the case, you'd assume with anything heavier than air, it's going to follow the law of gravity.

It mentions extremely hard and expensive objects.
Reply With Quote
  #34  
Old January 15th, 2020, 02:20 AM
timerover51's Avatar
timerover51 timerover51 is offline
Citizen: SOC-14
 
Join Date: Sep 2012
Location: North of Chicago
Posts: 6,211
Gallery : 4
Visit timerover51's Blog
timerover51 Beloved Citizentimerover51 Beloved Citizentimerover51 Beloved Citizentimerover51 Beloved Citizentimerover51 Beloved Citizentimerover51 Beloved Citizentimerover51 Beloved Citizentimerover51 Beloved Citizen
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Condottiere View Post
I pulled out volume one of Wizard's Spell Compendium, Advanced Dungeons and Dragons Second.

It's as bright as full daylight, however you define that, at whatever season or geographical location.

It can also be cast in the air, and you have to wonder how that works: humidity, dust or air molecule, and if that's the case, you'd assume with anything heavier than air, it's going to follow the law of gravity.

It mentions extremely hard and expensive objects.
That is not what I am using for my world, sector, and writings.
__________________
Star Port Administrator: El Paso, El Paso, Sword Sub-sector, Piper-Norton Out Rim Sector
Link to Piper Sector: http://www.zarthani.net/ridder-mankind_to_the_stars.htm
Do you have a security clearance? New Jan. 25 Blog Entry
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ElI451TxsTg, 3:24 in.
I march to my own set of bagpipes. Caution: This individual thinks that studying logistics is FUN.

They that go down to the sea in ships,
that do business in great waters;
These see the works of the LORD,
and his wonders in the deep.
Reply With Quote
  #35  
Old January 16th, 2020, 06:03 AM
aramis's Avatar
aramis aramis is offline
Administrator
 
Join Date: May 2001
Location: Anchorage, AK, USofA
Posts: 29,143
Gallery : 53
Visit aramis's Blog
aramis has disabled reputation
Send a message via ICQ to aramis Send a message via AIM to aramis Send a message via Yahoo to aramis
Default

Timerover51 - keep in mind, people are pointing out things in other editions than your reference in case you might want to adopt it. The destruction of items by Continual Light is canonical AD&D 2E, and is not a bad idea to implement.

Here's why it's not a bad idea:
Assuming a vaguely realistic economy and that spellcasters are 1 per 1000, and about 2 in 10 NPC casters can cast continual light... Each non-adventuring caster can cast it once a day... a City of 10K will have 2 casters, and be able to add roughly 700 a year...
1: if the material cost is such that it is less than a lantern, every wizard capable of casting it is likely to cast it during down time for cash...
2: if it lasts for longer than a few years, most major cities will blot out the sky unless there's some way of enforcing no use. Also, cities in the underdark will be too bright for Drow or Shadow Elves. Heck, too bright even for anyone not from Vegas...
3: every farmer is going to buy several. You will have farmers doing "Fairbanks grow-season" all year round. (Fairbanks summer growing season sees carrots in the pound range, cabbages over 1m across and still edible, potatoes and onions both in the 1-2 lb range.) The only times they take them down is when they need to trigger flowering.
4: it becomes a essentially a dispellable artifact.
5: it disincentivizes wizard adventuring...
6: downtown undercity is as well lit as mid day at the sun temple in the desert... all the time.

See, even if the 3rd level wizard casts it daily for 10gp... that's 10xp per day... and that's easily 300 xp per year (and a healthy but modest townsman lifestyle)...2 years later, he's 4th level. And, assuming he is safe in town, doubles his output (and cash and XP gains), and hits 5th within another 3 years... and everyone above the peasantry has at least one... and you can bet dispelling one becomes a crime.

Also, that's not the only "employable" spell... but it's the easiest to abuse.

No one's saying you have to use that AD&D rule, but we are pointing out that the spell, without the restriction, potentially becomes (and in my case, once actually became) a perpetual economy breaker to the point that many people wanted a nerf on it. ANd it's not even a house rule for some D&D editions. Even just limiting it to a year is enough to reduce its abusability.

Plus, unless your players are serious rules lawyers, borrowing it from another edition is likely to go over just fine.
__________________
~ Aramis
aramis.hostman.us /trav
Smith & Wesson: The Original Point and Click interface!

Archduke of Sylea (CORE 2118)
Duke of the Third Imperium (SPIN 0534)
Count Terra (SOLO 1827)
Count Gorod (REFT 1302)
Count of the Third Imperium (SPIN 2232)
Viscount of Adabicci (SPIN 1824)
Marquis of the Solomani Rim (SOLO 0606)
Marquis of the Third Imperium (SPIN 2410)
Baron of the Third Imperium (SPIN 2231)
Knight of the Iridium Throne (CORE 1434)
Sir William Hostman (OLDE 0512)
Sir William Hostman (DAGU 0622)
Knight of Deneb (REFT 2239)
Knight of Deneb (Spin 2532)
SEH w/Diamonds for Extreme Heroism - Battle of Boughene
MCG - Battle of Boughene
TAS: William Hostman (CORR 2506)
TAS: Bearer (DAIB 1326)
IMTU ct+ tm++ tne tg-- tt+ tmo+ t4- t20+ to ru+ ge+ 3i+ c+ jt au ls pi+ ta he+ st+
Wil Hostman 0602 C539857-9 S A724
OTU: 95% 3i an+ au+ br- cpu± dt± f+ fs++ ge± ih- inf± j± jf+ jm+ jt+ ls- n= nc+ pi+ pp-- tp+ tr+ tv- vi-- xb+-
Unless there is bold red text, presume my posts to be my personal material only.
Reply With Quote
  #36  
Old January 17th, 2020, 05:04 AM
timerover51's Avatar
timerover51 timerover51 is offline
Citizen: SOC-14
 
Join Date: Sep 2012
Location: North of Chicago
Posts: 6,211
Gallery : 4
Visit timerover51's Blog
timerover51 Beloved Citizentimerover51 Beloved Citizentimerover51 Beloved Citizentimerover51 Beloved Citizentimerover51 Beloved Citizentimerover51 Beloved Citizentimerover51 Beloved Citizentimerover51 Beloved Citizen
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by aramis View Post

Plus, unless your players are serious rules lawyers, borrowing it from another edition is likely to go over just fine.
I did that once, a long time ago when I was running AD&D First edition a lot. The group was not amused.

I will drop the discussion of D&D ideas, and simply do some writing.
__________________
Star Port Administrator: El Paso, El Paso, Sword Sub-sector, Piper-Norton Out Rim Sector
Link to Piper Sector: http://www.zarthani.net/ridder-mankind_to_the_stars.htm
Do you have a security clearance? New Jan. 25 Blog Entry
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ElI451TxsTg, 3:24 in.
I march to my own set of bagpipes. Caution: This individual thinks that studying logistics is FUN.

They that go down to the sea in ships,
that do business in great waters;
These see the works of the LORD,
and his wonders in the deep.
Reply With Quote
  #37  
Old January 27th, 2020, 03:34 AM
timerover51's Avatar
timerover51 timerover51 is offline
Citizen: SOC-14
 
Join Date: Sep 2012
Location: North of Chicago
Posts: 6,211
Gallery : 4
Visit timerover51's Blog
timerover51 Beloved Citizentimerover51 Beloved Citizentimerover51 Beloved Citizentimerover51 Beloved Citizentimerover51 Beloved Citizentimerover51 Beloved Citizentimerover51 Beloved Citizentimerover51 Beloved Citizen
Default

I am putting together some errata on the older D&D Basic/Expert/Companion/Master series of books. I am not sure if I will put anything on DriveThru as house rules for those books. I will not be posting anything here, however.
__________________
Star Port Administrator: El Paso, El Paso, Sword Sub-sector, Piper-Norton Out Rim Sector
Link to Piper Sector: http://www.zarthani.net/ridder-mankind_to_the_stars.htm
Do you have a security clearance? New Jan. 25 Blog Entry
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ElI451TxsTg, 3:24 in.
I march to my own set of bagpipes. Caution: This individual thinks that studying logistics is FUN.

They that go down to the sea in ships,
that do business in great waters;
These see the works of the LORD,
and his wonders in the deep.
Reply With Quote
Reply

Bookmarks

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Some Ideas for Adventures timerover51 TWILIGHT: 2000 4 May 12th, 2018 09:05 PM
Looking for ideas Daddicus Traveller 5 9 April 28th, 2014 08:51 PM
Better ideas then BWA? jatay3 In My Traveller Universe 3 April 22nd, 2006 06:47 PM
New Ideas BOHICA6 TWILIGHT: 2000 99 July 6th, 2004 01:09 PM

This website and its contents are copyright ©2010- Far Future Enterprises. All rights reserved. Traveller is a registered trademark of Far Future Enterprises .
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.4
Copyright ©2000 - 2020, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Copyright (c) 2010-2013, Far Future Enterprises. All Rights Reserved.