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This scenario opens up the possibility that Lucan wasn't mad.

If his brother was killed, and he himself also targeted, as part of a Moot supported coup d'etat, then he will feel threatened.

In those first few weeks following the assassination he wouldn't know who to trust or where the next attempt on his life may come from.

He is, as far as he knows, the legitimate heir to the throne, and only those who know about the Strephon clone know otherwise - and they are using that knowledge to get as far away as possible until the real Strephon returns and has them all dealt with.

They see a get out in supporting Lucan in the short term as this will muddy the waters for the return of Strephon - which is delayed due to his breakdown.

Thus a terrified Lucan ends up supported by the very people who would have liked to have seen him dead, all the while being fead paranoid propoganda to unsettle him and prevent the immediate return of the rightful Emperor.
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This scenario opens up the possibility that Lucan wasn't mad.

If his brother was killed, and he himself also targeted, as part of a Moot supported coup d'etat, then he will feel threatened.

In those first few weeks following the assassination he wouldn't know who to trust or where the next attempt on his life may come from.

He is, as far as he knows, the legitimate heir to the throne, and only those who know about the Strephon clone know otherwise - and they are using that knowledge to get as far away as possible until the real Strephon returns and has them all dealt with.

They see a get out in supporting Lucan in the short term as this will muddy the waters for the return of Strephon - which is delayed due to his breakdown.

Thus a terrified Lucan ends up supported by the very people who would have liked to have seen him dead, all the while being fead paranoid propoganda to unsettle him and prevent the immediate return of the rightful Emperor.
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This scenario opens up the possibility that Lucan wasn't mad.

If his brother was killed, and he himself also targeted, as part of a Moot supported coup d'etat, then he will feel threatened.

In those first few weeks following the assassination he wouldn't know who to trust or where the next attempt on his life may come from.

He is, as far as he knows, the legitimate heir to the throne, and only those who know about the Strephon clone know otherwise - and they are using that knowledge to get as far away as possible until the real Strephon returns and has them all dealt with.

They see a get out in supporting Lucan in the short term as this will muddy the waters for the return of Strephon - which is delayed due to his breakdown.

Thus a terrified Lucan ends up supported by the very people who would have liked to have seen him dead, all the while being fead paranoid propoganda to unsettle him and prevent the immediate return of the rightful Emperor.
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Windhook's story - as detailed in the MT Rebellion Sourcebook - has always struck me as too good to be true for Lucan's enemies.

So ask yourself, what if Lucan's story is the truth
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Windhook's story - as detailed in the MT Rebellion Sourcebook - has always struck me as too good to be true for Lucan's enemies.

So ask yourself, what if Lucan's story is the truth
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Windhook's story - as detailed in the MT Rebellion Sourcebook - has always struck me as too good to be true for Lucan's enemies.

So ask yourself, what if Lucan's story is the truth
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Aramis and Sigg,

Ooooh, I like the way your minds think!

The Rebellion is now neatly turned on it's head. It no longer a story of Evil Lucan and Evil Dulinor, it is now a story of Evil Moot. How delightfully twisty!

Do you both remember that block of prose entitled 'I had a dream' that appeared in the Challenge issue that unveiled TNE? The author writing about a great an ancient forest with innumerbale animals, but the trees are rotted and the whole things burns down? Do remember the bit towards the end about how at the Imperium's beginning 'great men dreamt great dreams' and at the Imperium's ending 'petty men dreamt petty dreams' and both sets of dreams were achieved?

For 'petty men' read Moot.

Now, follow the bouncing conspiracy:

- Strephon re-establishes the Archdukes and Domains, thus pissing off scads of sector dukes, subsector dukes who want to be sector dukes, the families of sector dukes, the allies of sector dukes, and so on and so forth. Simply put, he pissed off a nice chunk of the Imperium's upper nobility by diluting and diminishing their power. Smooth move, Your Majesty.

- The Moot, or more accurately, a sizeable chunk of the Moot decides that 'Strephon Must Go'. The Styryx Option is out as Iffie is approached oh so delicately on the matter of the Archdukes and Domains only to say she thinks 'Daddy's idea is super'. The Moot thus has no Gavin, so a replay of 989 is a no go and the RoA is now on the table.

- Dulinor is selected by somehow. Just how the 'SMG' faction of the Moot settles on him is unknown. He holds one of the titles that precipitated this crisis and his reforms aren't too well recieved even in his own Domain, but he gets the nod. Perhaps his Plot was already in the planning stages and the Moot decided to piggyback on it, perhaps the Moot thought he would be more tractable, or perhaps he and the Moot cut a deal trading a limited reform agenda for the disestablishment of the Domains and Archdukes. Who knows?

- Dulinor's selection does make sense in some ways however. Io and Iffie are right out, they are too close and too supportive of Strephon. Besides, no one would stomach a husband killer or paracide on the Throne. Varian and Lucan aren't even on the list for obvious reasons. Margeret may have been approached and turned the job down or she may have been crossed off due to her well known support of Tukera as an emperor must not play favorites among the Megacorps. Adair is too wrapped up the Rim and he's really needed more there keeping the lid on than on the Throne. Tranian is a bland non-entity, Craig is little known outside Daibei, Norris or the Delphine on Mora are too far away, Brzk is an alien for goodness sakes, and no Vilani Archdukes need apply. So, who's left? Who has the Imperium spanning name recogition required? Who has a vision for the future? Who wants to build a bridge to the 58th Century? Dulinor that's who. Besides, we can cut a deal with the chap and control him.

- How does Dulinor suborn an entire Domain? The 'SMG' Moot faction helps him. How does Dulinor bypass all that security in the Palace? The 'SMG' Moot faction helps him. How does he do all the improbable things he somehow does up to drawing his magnum revolver in the Octagon and going postal? The 'SMG' Moot faction helps. Then Murphy decides to help him too.

- Dulinor kills the Wrong Man thanks to Jonathan Crocker's visions at Longbow II. Dulinor must then kill Io and Iffie because he's killed the Wrong Man. Dulinor also must kill the Aslan ambassador because he's killing Io and Iffie. Suddenly, one esquisitely planned and sanctioned murder has blossomed into a mass shooting. Suddenly, our noble tyrannicide is now seen as a crazed killer. Suddenly, the agent sent to take care of the Twins slips on a banana peel. Suddenly, the rest of the Imperial Guard gets stroppy. Suddenly, our stalwart Man of Future develops a terminal case of cold feet. Suddenly, the plot to pull off the second successful Right of Assasination in Imperial history implodes.

Ooops.

Murphy takes over from here and you know the rest.


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Aramis and Sigg,

Ooooh, I like the way your minds think!

The Rebellion is now neatly turned on it's head. It no longer a story of Evil Lucan and Evil Dulinor, it is now a story of Evil Moot. How delightfully twisty!

Do you both remember that block of prose entitled 'I had a dream' that appeared in the Challenge issue that unveiled TNE? The author writing about a great an ancient forest with innumerbale animals, but the trees are rotted and the whole things burns down? Do remember the bit towards the end about how at the Imperium's beginning 'great men dreamt great dreams' and at the Imperium's ending 'petty men dreamt petty dreams' and both sets of dreams were achieved?

For 'petty men' read Moot.

Now, follow the bouncing conspiracy:

- Strephon re-establishes the Archdukes and Domains, thus pissing off scads of sector dukes, subsector dukes who want to be sector dukes, the families of sector dukes, the allies of sector dukes, and so on and so forth. Simply put, he pissed off a nice chunk of the Imperium's upper nobility by diluting and diminishing their power. Smooth move, Your Majesty.

- The Moot, or more accurately, a sizeable chunk of the Moot decides that 'Strephon Must Go'. The Styryx Option is out as Iffie is approached oh so delicately on the matter of the Archdukes and Domains only to say she thinks 'Daddy's idea is super'. The Moot thus has no Gavin, so a replay of 989 is a no go and the RoA is now on the table.

- Dulinor is selected by somehow. Just how the 'SMG' faction of the Moot settles on him is unknown. He holds one of the titles that precipitated this crisis and his reforms aren't too well recieved even in his own Domain, but he gets the nod. Perhaps his Plot was already in the planning stages and the Moot decided to piggyback on it, perhaps the Moot thought he would be more tractable, or perhaps he and the Moot cut a deal trading a limited reform agenda for the disestablishment of the Domains and Archdukes. Who knows?

- Dulinor's selection does make sense in some ways however. Io and Iffie are right out, they are too close and too supportive of Strephon. Besides, no one would stomach a husband killer or paracide on the Throne. Varian and Lucan aren't even on the list for obvious reasons. Margeret may have been approached and turned the job down or she may have been crossed off due to her well known support of Tukera as an emperor must not play favorites among the Megacorps. Adair is too wrapped up the Rim and he's really needed more there keeping the lid on than on the Throne. Tranian is a bland non-entity, Craig is little known outside Daibei, Norris or the Delphine on Mora are too far away, Brzk is an alien for goodness sakes, and no Vilani Archdukes need apply. So, who's left? Who has the Imperium spanning name recogition required? Who has a vision for the future? Who wants to build a bridge to the 58th Century? Dulinor that's who. Besides, we can cut a deal with the chap and control him.

- How does Dulinor suborn an entire Domain? The 'SMG' Moot faction helps him. How does Dulinor bypass all that security in the Palace? The 'SMG' Moot faction helps him. How does he do all the improbable things he somehow does up to drawing his magnum revolver in the Octagon and going postal? The 'SMG' Moot faction helps. Then Murphy decides to help him too.

- Dulinor kills the Wrong Man thanks to Jonathan Crocker's visions at Longbow II. Dulinor must then kill Io and Iffie because he's killed the Wrong Man. Dulinor also must kill the Aslan ambassador because he's killing Io and Iffie. Suddenly, one esquisitely planned and sanctioned murder has blossomed into a mass shooting. Suddenly, our noble tyrannicide is now seen as a crazed killer. Suddenly, the agent sent to take care of the Twins slips on a banana peel. Suddenly, the rest of the Imperial Guard gets stroppy. Suddenly, our stalwart Man of Future develops a terminal case of cold feet. Suddenly, the plot to pull off the second successful Right of Assasination in Imperial history implodes.

Ooops.

Murphy takes over from here and you know the rest.


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Aramis and Sigg,

Ooooh, I like the way your minds think!

The Rebellion is now neatly turned on it's head. It no longer a story of Evil Lucan and Evil Dulinor, it is now a story of Evil Moot. How delightfully twisty!

Do you both remember that block of prose entitled 'I had a dream' that appeared in the Challenge issue that unveiled TNE? The author writing about a great an ancient forest with innumerbale animals, but the trees are rotted and the whole things burns down? Do remember the bit towards the end about how at the Imperium's beginning 'great men dreamt great dreams' and at the Imperium's ending 'petty men dreamt petty dreams' and both sets of dreams were achieved?

For 'petty men' read Moot.

Now, follow the bouncing conspiracy:

- Strephon re-establishes the Archdukes and Domains, thus pissing off scads of sector dukes, subsector dukes who want to be sector dukes, the families of sector dukes, the allies of sector dukes, and so on and so forth. Simply put, he pissed off a nice chunk of the Imperium's upper nobility by diluting and diminishing their power. Smooth move, Your Majesty.

- The Moot, or more accurately, a sizeable chunk of the Moot decides that 'Strephon Must Go'. The Styryx Option is out as Iffie is approached oh so delicately on the matter of the Archdukes and Domains only to say she thinks 'Daddy's idea is super'. The Moot thus has no Gavin, so a replay of 989 is a no go and the RoA is now on the table.

- Dulinor is selected by somehow. Just how the 'SMG' faction of the Moot settles on him is unknown. He holds one of the titles that precipitated this crisis and his reforms aren't too well recieved even in his own Domain, but he gets the nod. Perhaps his Plot was already in the planning stages and the Moot decided to piggyback on it, perhaps the Moot thought he would be more tractable, or perhaps he and the Moot cut a deal trading a limited reform agenda for the disestablishment of the Domains and Archdukes. Who knows?

- Dulinor's selection does make sense in some ways however. Io and Iffie are right out, they are too close and too supportive of Strephon. Besides, no one would stomach a husband killer or paracide on the Throne. Varian and Lucan aren't even on the list for obvious reasons. Margeret may have been approached and turned the job down or she may have been crossed off due to her well known support of Tukera as an emperor must not play favorites among the Megacorps. Adair is too wrapped up the Rim and he's really needed more there keeping the lid on than on the Throne. Tranian is a bland non-entity, Craig is little known outside Daibei, Norris or the Delphine on Mora are too far away, Brzk is an alien for goodness sakes, and no Vilani Archdukes need apply. So, who's left? Who has the Imperium spanning name recogition required? Who has a vision for the future? Who wants to build a bridge to the 58th Century? Dulinor that's who. Besides, we can cut a deal with the chap and control him.

- How does Dulinor suborn an entire Domain? The 'SMG' Moot faction helps him. How does Dulinor bypass all that security in the Palace? The 'SMG' Moot faction helps him. How does he do all the improbable things he somehow does up to drawing his magnum revolver in the Octagon and going postal? The 'SMG' Moot faction helps. Then Murphy decides to help him too.

- Dulinor kills the Wrong Man thanks to Jonathan Crocker's visions at Longbow II. Dulinor must then kill Io and Iffie because he's killed the Wrong Man. Dulinor also must kill the Aslan ambassador because he's killing Io and Iffie. Suddenly, one esquisitely planned and sanctioned murder has blossomed into a mass shooting. Suddenly, our noble tyrannicide is now seen as a crazed killer. Suddenly, the agent sent to take care of the Twins slips on a banana peel. Suddenly, the rest of the Imperial Guard gets stroppy. Suddenly, our stalwart Man of Future develops a terminal case of cold feet. Suddenly, the plot to pull off the second successful Right of Assasination in Imperial history implodes.

Ooops.

Murphy takes over from here and you know the rest.


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As was pointed out to me by other canonistas, Strephon doesn't reinstate them; he merely reinforces their power, and allowes them to meddle at Domain HQ, which he DOES reinstate as an actual command, rather than just a reporting conduit.

He DOES appoint several, including his FRIEND, Dulinor, and his Cousin, Norris.

No, I put forth the alternate:

The SMG arises in Ilellish... in the sector moot or even domain moot, and when Dulinor gets appointed Archduke, Dulinor's rank helps keep it in check.

Dulinor does a lot of grand things... and the Dukes go to the moot to let it be known.

Dulinor "Suggests" the Emperor do similar reforms throughout. Strephon, fearing the moot, says no.

Dulinor's subordinate dukes (remember, there are 64-68 LANDED dukes under him) spread the SMG through the moot at capital... based upon his rejection of "Basic sophont rights improvements"

The SMG movement meets in the moot spire, and much to Dulinor's Horror, passes the resolution the Strephon Must Go... and then, based upon what they want to see in a new Emperor, Give Dulinor the least desirable job in the Imperium... Assassinating the Emperor, his own good friend, Patron, and drinking buddy.

Nobody bothers informing the moot that Strephon's out...

Lucan and Varian were to be captured. Alive.

Io and Iffie were to be captured, and forced by the moot to accept either the new emperor OR a prison planet. (It may have required some biochemical and psychological work...)

Lucan and varian have no claim if the Crown Princess acknowledges Dulinor....

Dulinor goes in, sees only fear, not shock as his hand raises the gun... and Knows it's not strephon. To eliminate their claims, Io, Iffie, Lucan, and Varian now ALL need to be aced. "Plan 'b' it is!" The Aslan ambassador thinks he was a target (this is, after all, round two of combat), and goes for his gun. Dulinor shoots him.

Plan B goes awry... Lucan is killing IG troops... "Bug out!" (plan C) goes into effect, and IT goes smoothly.

The moot meets, and the majority SMG faction is split between "Dulinor went too far", "Dulinor should have stayed", and "Dulinor is still owed what we promised him", and the 2/5 of the moot not part of SMG are split between "Dulinor Did it!" and "Let's find someone else..." Lucan addresses them, and they vote him down while he's speaking... so he disbands the moot for a year... and his paranoia begins.

And, sadly, I never subscribed to Challenge...

And it's THIRD, not second... although the other one declares herself Regent, the truth is, she's Empress in all but name.
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