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Old November 18th, 2005, 01:50 AM
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Apparently there are several OCD gearheards that have verified a few CT deckplans as incorrect. It appears the plans listed are bigger than they should be.

• 400T Subsidized Merchant (Type R) from Traders and Gunboats
• 200T Far Trader [Empress Marava] (Type A2), from Traders and Gunboats
• 800T Broadsword Mercenary Cruiser from Adventure 7 - Broadsword


This knowledge elicits a few questions:

• Besides those listed above are any other "official" deckplans in error?

• Which websites have accurate deckplans for these incorrect ships?

• Are there any stats for the official deckplans adjusted for their size so they may still be used?
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The free trader in DGP's otherwise excellent Starship Operator's Manual is a bit on the large size too.

http://www.sff.net/people/kitsune/traveller/

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http://www.sff.net/people/kitsune/tr...starships.html

are two excellent sites, whose resources I now use a lot.

You mean redesigns of the ships to the correct siz for the deck plan, e.g. the Far Trader deck plans used for a 400t ship?
I don't remember anything official.

An unofficial fudge I've heard from a few people is to assume the grid is 1m per side of square.
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Usually the assumption, that deck height is slightly(!) different from 3 m fixes overall volume problems in most designs....
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I think the Xboat tender is a bit out, too. Wouldn't surprise me if they were all wrong.
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^ Another reason I draw my own and count a lot of boxes.
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OCD? Ah, Obsessive compulsory disorder. Not the same thing at all [img]smile.gif[/img] I am borderline OCD (which is odd given other personality aspects) but it has nothing to do with expecting rules to be followed.

• Besides those listed above are any other "official" deckplans in error?

Would it seem harsh if I said NONE of the official deckplans I've EVER seen to the best of my recollection (and I've seen a lot if not all of them) were accurate?

To be fair some are close, others are nowhere near. Oh sure some of them may be close if you apply some voodoo (the SOM type A for example, with it's 10foot long beds) but that's still wrong.

• Which websites have accurate deckplans for these incorrect ships?

In addition to the links above in Sigg's post there have been a few. Unfortunately I lost the bookmarks to some and others are 404. Any of my own should be pretty accurate but they are scattered; across the net, my computers, backup disks, and piles of paper on shelves and in boxes [img]smile.gif[/img] My own website is still on the list of things to do

• Are there any stats for the official deckplans adjusted for their size so they may still be used?

I was going to say "What's the point?" but I guess I can see it. Just seems like a bass ackwards way of getting what you want. Actually it sounds like a Solomani way of doing things The CT-AM6 Solomani type-AS "free-trader" is J2 and 400tons with only two hardpoints. So there you go, use the deckplans from SOM for the type-AS and make your Solomani giants

Sorry this reply couldn't be more helpful.
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What you guys are not seeing is that the ships came first. The nice, round numbers were just tacked on by imperial beurocrats who like to see nice, round zeroes on their ship registry files. So, the floorplans are accurate, it's the specs that are out of kilter ...
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I know you're jesting Bromgrev, and believe me I could live with a fudge factor, even as much as the rule allowed +20%. But when the illustration states the scale and then shows a human sized bed that is just short of 3m that's just wrong. Or when the depicted plans for a 200ton ship come out closer to 400ton that's just wrong.

And I'm not saying it's only the artist to blame. Some of this is so obvious that someone who knows the game could see it without much trouble. So either there was no playtesting/editing/proofing done of the deckplans or they slipped up as well.

In the end it's more errata and a waste of my game dollars since I have to go and redo it, on my own time. Time which could be better spent leading me to feel twice ripped off to answer TheEngineer. It's not hard to do it right the first time, unless we are to believe artists can't do simply math.

The real kicker is nobody seems to do official corrections for visual errata so it's left up to the fans who do it for love (and/or sanity, often losing it in the process [img]graemlins/file_28.gif[/img] ).
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And I'm not saying it's only the artist to blame. Some of this is so obvious that someone who knows the game could see it without much trouble. So either there was no playtesting/editing/proofing done of the deckplans or they slipped up as well.
I dunno,

speaking only for myself, it was a surprise when the venerable Far Trader was revealed to be twice a big as the official statistics.

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