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the Fifth Frontier War was a dress-rehearsal for the Rebellion.
Less a dress rehearsal, and more of a dubious precedent. "The fans loved the 5FW, so we want to go bigger!"
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After going through the early issues of JTAS, I have concluded that the Fifth Frontier War was a dress-rehearsal for the Rebellion.

(1) vast and plodding (note how many issues it takes from start to finish with no real action) -- check.

(2) PCs could never do anything about it -- check.
Except that 2 is false in both cases. Assassinate Norris, and the 5FW goes VERY different. Assassinate Santanocheev, and Norris no longer has the direct obligation to take over prosecution of the war.

In the case of the Rebellion, assassinations of Dulinor, Strephon (the real one), Norris, and/or Lucan can be done by PC's. Lucan, it's a suicide run and practically requires a pair of psionicists - one who's a noble and telepath, making his approach, and another who is a teleporter with a big gun and Special Drug.

I've had players assassinate Lucan in play.
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Hey nitpickers,

What worlds were altered by the events in AOTI and are not captured in their new state except by unbelievable contortions on TravellerMap ?

For example, Zaru 0432 Lutyen (nee Trileen) seems correct.

Ch 1: Core 0707 Maaruur B684987-9 Hi In Sa Tu - the new world is a total mismatch. TM has E6921107 He Lo - which makes sense as a secondary world in the system elevated to mainworld, but with the name retained?

Ch 24: Zaru 0917 Deyis II E874000-0 Ba Da Re - this seems correct, but TM has (Kebkh) indicating a homeworld. Perhaps it needs the 'Di' code ?

Ch 12: Forn 2404 Kulabisha B68799A-9 Ga Hi - but should have been scoured of all life. TM has E6870000 which is fine. It mechanically rates Ga which is borderline plausible - the atmosphere has cooled off - but (as noted elsewhere in one of these threads) its stars may need tweaking.

Any others?
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Arcanum/Deneb 2126 is okay. It was the world "bobbled" in 402 and the Red Zone from then is still in place at Traveller Map. (IIRC, MgT's Deneb sourcebook may now need a retcon.)

Daruka/Empty 2230 may be a problem. It had a "NILs Gone Nuts" plague in 410 and was Red Zoned. At Traveller Map, there's no Red or Amber Zone, no mention of the NILs, and the UWP hasn't changed one whit across the centuries.

Kutubba/Verge 3202 is okay. It had the undersea vulcanism event leading to climate change in 460 and was Amber Zoned. Traveller Map has it behind a Red Zone, the atmo and hydro spheres changed, population increased, and TL dropped.

Deyis II/Zaru 0917 is a problem despite the Traveller Map UWP being okay. It was scrubbed in 501 because of the fatal "happiness" parasite, but it's also the location of an MT adventure and a NIL.

Kulabisah/Fornast 2404 maybe a problem. It had a nova in 502, was partially evacuated, and had an Amber Zone imposed. At Traveller Map, it has no population and no travel restrictions, but shouldn't the star and/or companion have changed?

Sakaliin/Reft 3029 is most likely okay. It had a rogue AI in 530, was EMP'd, and had a "5 generation" watch put in place. At Traveller Map, the population dropped drastically while the TL went up one tick.

I agree that Trileen/Lutyen is okay. Trileen was scrubbed in 664 due a meme plague while previously barren world in the system was named Lutyen and made the mainworld.

Arcanum, Kutubba, Sakaliin, and Trileen/Lutyen are okay.

Daruka, Deyis II, and Kulabisah all have varying problems.

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Daruka/Empty 2230 may be a problem. It had a "NILs Gone Nuts" plague in 410 and was Red Zoned. At Traveller Map, there's no Red or Amber Zone, no mention of the NILs, and the UWP hasn't changed one whit across the centuries.
Hrm... There's "a Plexxan noble and a significant Plexxan population"; it's not clear that it's the Plexxan homeworld. We also don't learn the outcome, but relatively speaking it seems to be easily contained and the (majority?) Vilani population is apparently not impacted. So agreed with "may be a problem".

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Kulabisah/Fornast 2404 maybe a problem. It had a nova in 502, was partially evacuated, and had an Amber Zone imposed. At [i]Traveller Map[/]i, it has no population and no travel restrictions, but shouldn't the star and/or companion have changed?
See http://www.travellerrpg.com/CotI/Dis...ad.php?t=35546 - a nova may not be a permanent alteration of the stars. It probably does need a stellar tweak, though.
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Thanks, Whipsnade!

No problem. It was a slow night and I had the book on hand to look at some of the various destinations to which Bland shipped his "hosts" from Reference.

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Hrm... There's "a Plexxan noble and a significant Plexxan population"; it's not clear that it's the Plexxan homeworld. We also don't learn the outcome, but relatively speaking it seems to be easily contained and the (majority?) Vilani population is apparently not impacted. So agreed with "may be a problem".
Hmmm... after reading that I'm leaning towards it not being a problem at all. Especially seeing as Daruka may not be the Plexxan homeworld. Still, there's no change at all between 410 and TM's default Classic Era date. (TM's date is 1105-ish, right?)

By the way, I'm really impressed by the fact that you've got Beauniture on TM!

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See http://www.travellerrpg.com/CotI/Dis...ad.php?t=35546 - a nova may not be a permanent alteration of the stars. It probably does need a stellar tweak, though.
I thought it might, but I've no idea about what kind of tweak is needed.

While Deyis II is the biggest headache in AotI, it's not a headache for TM.

There's a "hiccup" of sorts when the scrubbing takes place. Bland later visits the system again, even setting up the astrofence project to do so. He recovers the Niikiik Luur archive there along with the genetic creche and later meets one of the few remaining Kebkh on Reference. It's obviously an important part of AotI.

In MT, on the other hand, the adventure which came with the GM's Screen has Deyis II with a lush biosphere complete with parrot dragons and a previously unsuspected native sophont species.

Given the thorough 501 scrubbing and the conditions described Bland's later 610 visit, I can't see how the planet could have recovered or been "repaired" by the Rebellion era.

I suspect the MT adventure will be retconned in some fashion.
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While Deyis II is the biggest headache in AotI, it's not a headache for TM.

There's a "hiccup" of sorts when the scrubbing takes place. Bland later visits the system again, even setting up the astrofence project to do so. He recovers the Niikiik Luur archive there along with the genetic creche and later meets one of the few remaining Kebkh on Reference. It's obviously an important part of AotI.

In MT, on the other hand, the adventure which came with the GM's Screen has Deyis II with a lush biosphere complete with parrot dragons and a previously unsuspected native sophont species.

Given the thorough 501 scrubbing and the conditions described Bland's later 610 visit, I can't see how the planet could have recovered or been "repaired" by the Rebellion era.

I suspect the MT adventure will be retconned in some fashion.
I'd blame the (relatively nearby) Suerrat. Buncha sneaky closet terraformers.
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By the way, I'm really impressed by the fact that you've got Beauniture on TM!
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... and later meets one of the few remaining Kebkh on Reference.
Ah, yes. So... they are not, in fact, extinct, hence no need for a Di code.
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See http://www.travellerrpg.com/CotI/Dis...ad.php?t=35546 - a nova may not be a permanent alteration of the stars. It probably does need a stellar tweak, though.
If it was a nova, then it ought to have a close orbiting white dwarf companion in the system for the stellar material to accrete onto.
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While Deyis II is the biggest headache in AotI, it's not a headache for TM.

There's a "hiccup" of sorts when the scrubbing takes place. Bland later visits the system again, even setting up the astrofence project to do so. He recovers the Niikiik Luur archive there along with the genetic creche and later meets one of the few remaining Kebkh on Reference. It's obviously an important part of AotI.

In MT, on the other hand, the adventure which came with the GM's Screen has Deyis II with a lush biosphere complete with parrot dragons and a previously unsuspected native sophont species.

Given the thorough 501 scrubbing and the conditions described Bland's later 610 visit, I can't see how the planet could have recovered or been "repaired" by the Rebellion era.

I suspect the MT adventure will be retconned in some fashion.
IIRC, the Kebkh on Deyis II were in origin the species that DGP intended to be the larval/immature form of their "Primordials", which of course never saw print. They are tenuously related to certain visions seen in the city in Knightfall I believe.
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