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Old July 7th, 2015, 10:28 PM
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marine combat battalion

the 19000 dton alice-class transports carry 4900 dton cargo modules to supply the fleet. some of these modules are outfitted to carry one battalion of combined arms fleet marines and navy support for use in limited small-scale operations as needed. the unit is fully mounted and has ew, drone, and armor capability, along with some specialty units for drones, eod, and sniping. it also has organic front-line ambulance, medical, and maintenance and recovery support. notably the unit lacks submarines and meson screens. large-scale fire support is provided by an overhead cherry-class destroyer deploying a factor 9 beam laser battery.

every individual in the unit has available 0.5 dtons for combat gear, a 0.5 dton personal lowberth, and 3 dtons of other living space separate from office, work, supply, long-term endurance cargo, unit assembly, and other spaces. holobooth facilities enable discreet individual or simultaneous interactive training and practice for up to 60 individuals - one platoon.



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fleet marine combat battalion

marine battalion hq
cmnd 65M
offc 2sc
s1   2sc
s2   3Ss
s3   4FS
s4   3Ss

A Co infantry
14 hueys                  (infantry transport gigs - see link to deckplans below)
32FSc[s][C][CfPf]         ([s]-co comms, [C]-co medic, [CfPf]-mech/elec techs)
1plt 1Sp[c][P]            ([c]-plt comms, [P]-plt medic
1sqd s cppp cppp cppp[pf] ([pf]-sqd comms, sqd medic)
2sqd s cppp cppp cppp[pf]
3sqd s cppp cppp cppp[pf]
4sqd s cpp  cpp [Pff]     (cpp-tacmiss, cpp-fgmp14, [Pff]-comp/weap/armr techs)
2plt 1Sp[c][P]
1sqd s cppp cppp cppp[pf]
2sqd s cppp cppp cppp[pf]
3sqd s cppp cppp cppp[pf]
4sqd s cpp  cpp [Pff]
3plt 1Sp[c][P]
1sqd s cppp cppp cppp[pf]
2sqd s cppp cppp cppp[pf]
3sqd s cppp cppp cppp[pf]
4sqd s cpp  cpp [Pff]

B Co infantry
14 hueys
32FSc[s][C][CfPf]
1plt 1Sp[c][P]
1sqd s cppp cppp cppp[pf]
2sqd s cppp cppp cppp[pf]
3sqd s cppp cppp cppp[pf]
4sqd s cpp  cpp [Pff]
2plt 1Sp[c][P]
1sqd s cppp cppp cppp[pf]
2sqd s cppp cppp cppp[pf]
3sqd s cppp cppp cppp[pf]
4sqd s cpp  cpp [Pff]
3plt 1Sp[c][P]
1sqd s cppp cppp cppp[pf]
2sqd s cppp cppp cppp[pf]
3sqd s cppp cppp cppp[pf]
4sqd s cpp  cpp [Pff]

C Co armor
6 AFV's                   ("tanks" - see link to deckplans below)
ateam 3p[ww] sp[ww]       ([ww] - assigned navy flight officers)
bteam 1p[ww] sp[ww]
cteam Fp[ww] sp[ww]

D Co special teams
2 hueys
cmnd 3F
exod 1S scpp scpp scpp
snip 1S scpp scpp scpp

E Co electro-magnetic spectrum
3 ew gigs                 (see deckplans link below)
cmnd 32F
ew   1S
     scp[ww] scp[ww] scp[ww]
comm 1S
 ACo(s cppp cppp cppp)    (deployed with A Co)
 BCo(s cppp cppp cppp)    (deployed with B Co)
     s cppp cppp          (assigned as needed)
ops  1S
     scc scc scc          (combat operations center)
bots 1S
     scpp scpp scpp       (drone operations)



navy combat support department

navy dept hq
cmnd 54M
offc 2CP
s1   1CP
s2   2CP
s3   3CP
s4   2CP
ops  2C
     Pf Pf Pf             (naval operations center)

maintenance division
2 cargo, 2 hueys, 2 gig recovery vehicles
offc    3CP
general 1C
  mech  (C) Pff Pff(Pff)  ((Pff) - deployed with infantry) 
  elec  (C) Pff Pff(Pff)
  comp   C  Pff(Pff Pff)
combat  1C
  weap   C  Pff(Pff Pff)
  armr   C (Pff Pff Pff)  (one Pff team deployed on ambulances)
boats   1C Pff Pff Pff

medical division
3 ambulances              (see deckplans in link below)
offc    3CP
hosp    1C
  doct  5 432 432 
  nurs  3 1www 1www
  aide  C PPPP PPPP
medics  1C
  evac  C PP[P][ww] PP[P][ww] PP[P][ww] ([P][f] - armor techs)
  A Co (C Pfff Pfff Pfff)  (deployed with A Co)
  B Co (C Pfff Pfff Pfff)  (deployed with B Co)
        C Pfff Pfff        (deployed as needed)

flight
2 lear gigs for senior officers
offc    4CP
flt1    3C 2www 1www 2www 1www
flt2    3C 2www 1www 2www 1www
flt3    3C 2www 1www 2www 1www
flt4    3C 2www 1www 2www 1www
flt5    3C 2www 1www 2www 1www
flt6    3C 2www 1www 2www 1www



facilities and equipment
2157 dtons personal living space/lockers/lowberths
50 boats and bays
assembly area 360 dtons
hospital 250 dtons
    2 26 dton boat bay receiving
    20 dton intake deck
    40 dton triage deck
    40 dton operating theaters (2)
    48 dton icu decks (8 rooms)
    32 dtons staterooms (8 rooms)
    30 dtons lowberths (30)
    40 dtons stores
endurance cargo (10 months) 245 dtons
maintenance facilities 180 dtons
    60 dtons boat repair bay
    60 dtons repair shops (3)
    60 dtons stores
training facilties 154 dtons
   150 dtons holobooths (60)
     4 control center
office spaces 108 dtons
operations centers 40 dtons (2)
robot bays 40 dtons
    12 dtons combat drones (2)
    12 dtons recon drones (4)
     4 dtons stealth drones (24)
    12 dtons deployment bay/airlock

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I didn't think there'd be many comments, but ... none? geez.
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having a hard time translating the abbreviations.....

Not sure but it looks like there may be a need for integrated fire support and artillery.....Having a dedicated destroyer is great but call me paranoid....


a standard load out for each type of trooper would be a spiffy addition as well.

since traditionally (as I understand it) marines are an offensive force, I am under the impression they would have a pretty heavy punch integral to the unit.
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I didn't think there'd be many comments, but ... none? geez.
The only thing I see that's an issue, and it's a minor one, is that the 4th squad is short - and that means that, in parade column, right side is ragged.

your parade formation will look

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pppp
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pppp 
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Plus, one private will probably be assigned as guidon bearer -
Also, the platoon assets (medic, comm) don't include enough to even out squad 4, nor even enough to make a separate rank with the guidon bearer.

It's a niggle, but it's the kind of niggle that tends to get squished at the organizational level.

There are lots of records in the US army records from WW I and II (and the USCW) that show privates reassigned in platoon to even out squads... In all cases, to make the platoon a rectangle, less one or two men. (if short, always in squad 4 first, squad 3 second, squad 2 third...)
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having a hard time translating the abbreviations.....
p=private, c=corporal, s=sergeant, S=staff sergeant, F=first sergeant, 1 2 3 etc, officers, f=navy lower rank, P=petty officer, C=chief, w=warrant officer (yes, I'm biased to the u.s. system). there are of course other ranks but I wanted to text-graph the unit and there are only so many symbols to use.

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Not sure but it looks like there may be a need for integrated fire support and artillery.....Having a dedicated destroyer is great but call me paranoid....
very much wanted to, tried, but there just isn't room in the 4900 dtons unless something else is removed. in any case I envision them as being deployed mostly in "urban" habitat areas, not open field (a major target in the open field may be engaged by any number of naval weapons), so there is in fact little need for artillery or even armor (though there is some armor anyway). I envision fleet marines as being used in a target space that the commander in fact does not wish to destroy.

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a standard load out for each type of trooper would be a spiffy addition as well.
most people would resist this and supply their own loadout anyway. the 0.5 dton equipment locker is sufficient for just about anything you would wish them to have. I envision them as being mostly in combat armor, just so they can fit into their anticipated operating environment. the fgmp14 will of course be mounted on battle dress.

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The only thing I see that's an issue, and it's a minor one, is that the 4th squad is short - and that means that, in parade column, right side is ragged.
... I see your point about the organizational level view (now that it's pointed out to me, never would have thought of it myself). unfortunately there are two hard limits. 1) 4900 dtons. there is only so much room to go around. 2) the boats. each can hold 15 troops, that's it, so sorry (in fact that's packing them pretty tight especially in combat armor, might even be unrealistic). this permits each platoon of exactly 60 men to fit into 4 infantry gigs (hueys). if the platoon were any larger this would require 6 extra boats, 1 for each platoon, and there absolutely positively is no room for them unless something else very significant is removed.
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... I see your point about the organizational level view (now that it's pointed out to me, never would have thought of it myself). unfortunately there are two hard limits. 1) 4900 dtons. there is only so much room to go around. 2) the boats. each can hold 15 troops, that's it, so sorry (in fact that's packing them pretty tight especially in combat armor, might even be unrealistic). this permits each platoon of exactly 60 men to fit into 4 infantry gigs (hueys). if the platoon were any larger this would require 6 extra boats, 1 for each platoon, and there absolutely positively is no room for them unless something else very significant is removed.
Then the standard op model would be to change platoon size/squad size.
You can free up 3 by making the sergeant for each squad replace a corporal rather than in addition to the three (reducing squad size by 1).

so squad= spppcpppcpppmr
Plt Cadre: LS mr
(using m=medic and r=radioman privates)
Gives you a 60 man 4 even platoon plus 4-man cadre, with the guidon bearer being an honor job for a private from the ranks.
If you lack officer-per-platoon, then the guidon bearer likely is a private in the cadre.
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You can free up 3 by making the sergeant for each squad replace a corporal
that would do it. but that would 1) make the squad leader a fire-team participant when he should be running the squad, and 2) tie the squad leader to a particular fire-team when he should be free to follow the action as and however it develops. uneven parade formations or no, I just can't see any field-experienced military doing this.

of course, everyone is free to alter this arrangement as they see fit. sometimes in people's games "the imperial marines" show up, and I just wanted to supply referees with a tool for what that means, and illustrate what they have, and show the reasons why. "the marines" arrive - how many are there? 15, three teams. is there a medic? yes, right there with the squad. is there medical service? yes, via ambulance. are special weapons available? yes, with the company. is tech support available? yes, with the platoon. is transport available? yes, but maybe not immediately. are there eod specialists? as a matter of fact, yes. etc.
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that would do it. but that would 1) make the squad leader a fire-team participant when he should be running the squad, and 2) tie the squad leader to a particular fire-team when he should be free to follow the action as and however it develops. uneven parade formations or no, I just can't see any field-experienced military doing this.
Want to bet that there have been professional militaries that did it like that? Not that I know of any or know how to google it, but I just have a hunch that some militaries are/were less NCO heavy than others.

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of course, everyone is free to alter this arrangement as they see fit. sometimes in people's games "the imperial marines" show up, and I just wanted to supply referees with a tool for what that means, and illustrate what they have, and show the reasons why. "the marines" arrive - how many are there? 15, three teams. is there a medic? yes, right there with the squad. is there medical service? yes, via ambulance. are special weapons available? yes, with the company. is tech support available? yes, with the platoon. is transport available? yes, but maybe not immediately. are there eod specialists? as a matter of fact, yes. etc.
According to GT, when the Imperial Marines show up, it's game over. Which is why the Imperial Marines don't show up in my games.


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Want to bet that there have been professional militaries that did it like that?
well, I'm sure they marched well ....

actually, when I first set this up I did it entirely differently because of the space limitations. but an experienced u.s. marine told me the way it needed to be, and explained why, in detail, so I took out a bunch of stuff (and redesigned my boats) in order to get the s cppp cppp cppp lineup.

I very much would like to hear, not just, but also why, in detail, it is done any other way. I'm sure other readers would like to hear it as well. it would make for great roleplaying gaming action, back- or fore-ground.

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when the Imperial Marines show up, it's game over.
imtu when the marines show up it is indeed game over for somebody, but the reason they show up is to keep it from being game over for everybody. lot of room in there for lots of action.
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