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Old July 30th, 2016, 01:59 AM
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why? do they do anything with it besides read it?
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Old July 30th, 2016, 05:28 AM
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why? do they do anything with it besides read it?
The ones I've met? Yep.

I've seen three trends in the people I've seen talking about it online.

most seem to be either (A) using one of the few MGT sectors, or (B) generating a subsector or two, essentially "on a random border", but linking to what they see of canon in their MGT books, or (C) going whole hog old school, and ignoring canon altogether. A very small fraction are (D) Using T5 without other canon references, except maybe Travellermap.

(C) is the most vocal, but they also tend to be playing Original D&D (little brown or white books), Tunnels and Trolls, Far Trek or Where No Man Has Gone Before (a pair of OSR type games released under Paramount's old Fan Use permissions), &/or Starships & Spacemen (either edition).

(B) seems, from plays reported on RPGG, various Facebook and G+ boards, and AP threads on 4chan, 7chan, and The RPG Site, to be the most common, and usually using MGT rules.

(A) tends to be a little more odd - a lot of "I sold all my books, and saw the new edition, and dived in." Some, however, are new to the game, and want to use the setting because it saves them work.

From what I've seen, few would match up with what's in Agent, but those that would are usually buying older editions on CD, and making leaps.

A few newbs have started with T5. I recall one guy got T5 hoping for it to be his first RPG to run... he'd been a player a few times in D&D, I think... He did manage to grasp much of it. (More than me, actually. T5 makes my head spin at times.)

I'm not seeing many who are doing ATUs who aren't grogs, but there are a couple. I've never seen an AP for MGT Judge Dredd Traveller edition. (For my own part, I've managed to generate a few characters. The skill levels are insanely high. Insanely.)
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Old July 30th, 2016, 11:19 AM
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The Traveller fanbase is expanding Maksim. They just do not post here. They post over at the Mongoose forums. They also have a different view on canon.
I do see that and read the Mongoose forums, but rarely post there.

That expansion is mostly localized to British fans. There are many Yanks and others who like Mongoose Traveller, but the majority of the youth expansion I see is Brit in nature.

On the other hand, fans like Pakkrat, very much American in locale, are definitely using Mongoose product and sometimes trying to reconcile it with T5.

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As an observation from a recent thread there called "Canon Timeline?"

The OP asked if the wiki's timeline was canon. I explained relative time periods of ALL the different product lines, the difference between OTU and ATU and the general reason why we oldsters cannot agree to a single canon outside of "canon is for writers".
I wish we could resolve that somehow. I hope Robject's efforts turn up gold.

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What I got out of the thread is that younger/newer players WANT an advancing/progressing Canon timeline and are reluctant to buy more products unless there is one.
I would tend to agree.

Thanks for sharing your insights. I always appreciate hearing from you.

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Surely. Now we just need the fan base to expand... We're a lot of old farts and not so much fresh blood...

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Until you have more materials in print or available for T5, you are going to have a limited fan base for it. As it is still a work in progress, producing materials for it is not going to be easy.

Mongoose is going to have a growing base as Mongoose is producing materials for its edition of the rules. Aside from "Agent of the Imperium", what material for T5 is out there?
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Until you have more materials in print or available for T5, you are going to have a limited fan base for it. As it is still a work in progress, producing materials for it is not going to be easy.

Mongoose is going to have a growing base as Mongoose is producing materials for its edition of the rules. Aside from "Agent of the Imperium", what material for T5 is out there?
Cirque.
Imperiallines.
T5 deckplans

And I'm aware of a couple in progress that are not yet announced.
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Cirque.
Imperiallines.
T5 deckplans

And I'm aware of a couple in progress that are not yet announced.
What is "Cirque"?

And I believe that only 2 Imperialines have been put out, and Robject keeps saying that it is "pining for the fjords". See post 62.

http://www.travellerrpg.com/CotI/Dis...t=36076&page=7

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Cirque for T5
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Cirque.
Imperiallines.
T5 deckplans

And I'm aware of a couple in progress that are not yet announced.
Imperiallines and the deckplans promote T5. Cool. But I suspect these do not promote the timeline.
I have read the new Imperiallines. Don't know about the deckplans, I did not buy those yet and generally buy them last. Going off to buy Cirque. Forgot about that one. When does it take place?

Unannounced products are not in motion and difficult for an objective observer to detect dim objects at such distances.
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Based on the review in Freelance Traveller, a portion of which is quoted, "Cirque" takes place circa 1110. That would appear to be roughly 800 years prior to the T5 OTU, which is set in 1900. Or do I have the wrong version? I do not do Facebook.

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The classic era is defined as beginning in 1105 and Cirque starts at the end of 1110, a few months (confusingly, the text says years) after the Fifth Frontier War.
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Going off to buy Cirque. Forgot about that one. When does it take place?
Immediately after the 5th Frontier War (it begins on 345-1110 @ Rhylanor).
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