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Default RULE 68A - A Ref's Guide to the Classic Traveller Task System

INTRODUCTION...

Many Traveller players believe that Classic Traveller does not have a task system of its own. I've made statements to this effect myself in days gone by. But, whether the claim came from me or from another Traveller fan, the declaration is incorrect. CT does have a task system. What the game doesn't have is a structured task system.

Unlike meticulous, confined task systems of many rpgs, the system put forth in Classic Traveller is one where the GM is left to his own devices. With the CT system, the referee is charged with using his own judgement to create appropriate throws as needed in his game. The best description of CT's system is written by Marc Miller, appearing on pages 28-29 of the Traveller Adventure.

The designers at DGP saw the lack of structure as detrimental to the game. Making up task throws on-the-fly during a game and hoping that those Ref judgements were both good and consistently fair was seen as a precarious endeavor. Thus, the popular Universal Task Profile was born--a structured task system originally designed for Classic Traveller, then used in MegaTraveller as that edition of the game was published.

I have studied task systems for many years, and I've created several. (The Universal Game Mechanic, a structured task system designed specifically for Classic Traveller, can be viewed here by clicking on the link in my sig.) But, I still love what I see in original Traveller.

For those of you who still see the charm of the Original Traveller Task System and crave the creativity involved in designing a "good throw" on-the-fly, I present to you...

RULE 68A.

What is 68A? It's not a task system, and it doesn't change the system presented in Classic Traveller by one iota. What it does do is aid the GM in creating Classic Traveller task throws. It's a guideline, a rule-of-thumb, that Ref's can use, easily, quickly, during the ruckus and heat of a game to create fair and consistent throws.

In other words, it's a method of adding structure to the structureless Classic Traveller Task System.







HOW DOES IT WORK?

Simple. Whenever a throw is called for during a game, the Ref decides on the throw difficulty. The three Difficulty Levels each have a base target number assigned to them.

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Easy          6+
Average     8+
Difficult    10+
Note the name of the Rule. 68A. This is Traveller hexidecimal notation for 6-8-10. You'll never forget the three base difficulty numbers.

Once the base number is decided upon, the GM should fine tune the difficulty, up or down, by one point, if necessary.

And...we're done. See how simple that is? If the task is "Difficult", the target number is 10+. If the GM thinks the Difficult task is harder than usual, then the target number is set at 11+. If, on an Easy task, the task is particularly easy, then the task is set at one point lower than 6+ (so, it's a 5+ throw).

Two Things to Note:

First, most CT skill descriptions also include sample tasks. GMs are encouraged to use these sample tasks as guidelines when creating throws that involve that skill.

Second, about 75% of the throws presented in Classic Traveller materials do not reference the character's attributes. Most throws rely on skills (only) for DMs. For those throws that do require a characteristic component, Rule 68A can easily be used, in a slightly different way, by the GM when deciding on which level of stat is required before a bonus is used on the task.

When using characteristics this way, Refs should simply decide what level of the appropriate stat would be beneficial on an Average Task Throw. If it's likely the stat will Easily influence the task roll, then chose Stat-6. If the stat would influence the throw on Average, then pick Stat-8. If the stat is unlikely to influence the throw (it would be Difficult for the stat to influence the throw), then the choice is Stat-A.

As with difficulty numbers, the Ref should simply raise or lower the base stat number by one point should fine-tuning be necessary.







EXAMPLES...

Reviving passengers from low berth is typically a routine process for the experienced ship's medic. Easy Difficulty is 6+, but since this process is so common, the GM fine tunes this number down by one point. The throw to revive passengers from low berth is 5+ (see pg. 50 of the Traveller Book).



It's relatively difficult to maintain control on one's position and movement while floating around in zero gravity. This is a Difficult throw. 10+. (See pg. 48 of the Traveller Book).

By the same token, the 68A rule is used to determine what level of DEX will be beneficial to those trying to maintain control in zero G. The GM decides that both an average DEX and a high DEX would be beneficial. He tweaks each up one point due to the difficulty of swimming around in zero G. DEX-8 is fine tuned to DEX-9 for the first bonus. DEX-A is fine tune up one point to DEX-B for the second, bigger, bonus. (See pg. 48 of the Traveller Book).



Most people can spot forgeries fairly easily. The 68A rule says that Easy tasks require a throw of 6+. The Ref decides not to fine tune this number. (See pg. 23 of the Traveller Book).



The description of the ATV says that it is quite reliable. It's unlikely they'll break down. So, success on a Difficult task is needed if the ATV does break down. The Ref fine tunes this by one point. A throw of 11+ is needed for the ATV to break down. (See pg. 22 of the Traveller Book.)







THE EFFECT OF SKILLS...

Most tasks in Classic Traveller (about 3-in-4) are modified by a character's expertise (skill) only. And, about the same percentage of those tasks are modified at a DM of +1 per skill level.

Please note that there is still a large cross-section of tasks that gain more than one point DM per level of skill on task throws.

For example, the Forgery skill provides a -2 DM (to the throw being made to spot the forgery) per level of skill. Those characters skilled in Administration will sometimes gain a +2 DM per level of skill when making certain throws. Those characters with Vacc Suit expertise gain a +4 DM per level of skill when avoiding dangerous zero G situations.

Good Classic Traveller GMs will be familiar with the CT skill descriptions and be able to create task throws in the spirit of the rules-of-thumb described therein.







ANYTHING GOES!

Remember, Rule 68A is only a guideline! It's meant to help a GM come up with a throw, fast, during a game (and keep his throws consistent and fair). 68A is NOT meant to over-structure the CT task system and hem the GM into a corner.

There are several examples in CT of all sorts of rolls that can be created during a game. Not all are 2D +DMs for a Difficulty Number or better (most CT throws are of this nature).

If a GM thinks a particular throw is a better fit than what is indicated by Rule 68A, then he should implement it without hesitation.

Marc Miller, in his description of Classic Traveller Tasks on pages 28-29 of the Traveller Adventure, suggests all sorts of methods for using dice to determine uncertain outcomes during the game.

The throw needed for a character to throw a blade is: Roll 2D for 18+. DMs include + entire DEX level, + Blade Skill, - Evasion DM. (Page 43 of the Traveller Book).

When reviving low berth passengers, a character with Medic-2 or better is granted a +1 DM (and a +1 DM is all that can be gained from the Medic skill). (Page 50 of the Traveller Book.)

A throw of 7 exactly is required to indicate a fatal error is writting into a computer program. (Page 22 of the Traveller Book.)

Reaction numbers (the number thrown for NPC reaction on the Reaction table) can be used as the throw required for the NPC to help the PCs (see pg. 28 of the Traveller Adventure).

For quick, random difficulty numbers, simply throw 2D and use the result as the number needed for success on the next task roll (see pg. 29 of the Traveller Adventure).

Two characters, working together to force open a stuck hatch, may add their STR scores together, and throwing the total or less on 3D indicates the hatch is opened (I just made that one up).

One character tosses an autopistol to another character. The Ref rules that the character making the toss needs to throw DEX or less on 2D. Failure means there is no chance for the opposite character to catch the pistol. The character trying to catch the pistol will throw the result of the throwing character's 2D throw, or less, on 2D, in order to catch the weapon, but he also receives a -3 DM if his DEX is higher than that number. So, Fred tosses to Thomas. Fred's DEX is 10, and the result of the 2D throw is 5. Thomas' DEX is 8. So, in order to catch the pistol, Thomas must throw 2D -3 for 5-. Or, in other words, he's throwing 2D for 8- in order to catch the pistol. Thomas' ability to "catch" the pistol is based on the quality of Fred's throw. (I just made this one up too...to give an elaborate example.)



The good Classic Traveller Ref should never forget these types of occurances and never use Rule 68A exclusively.

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I like it simple and to the point so to speak. BTW where can the latest complete copy of the UGM be found. Is there a PDF out there, as I do like it quite well. I just was wondering what is the latest incarnation of it.
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I like it simple and to the point so to speak. BTW where can the latest complete copy of the UGM be found. Is there a PDF out there, as I do like it quite well. I just was wondering what is the latest incarnation of it.
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Default Structureless CT Task System Addiction...

These days, even with all the task system studying/creation/fixes/implementation that I've done, I find myself attracted, more and more, to the structureless CT system. There's just something about it that intrigues me--always creating a throw, on-the-fly, in the heat of a game. It appeals to my GM's creative side.

It keeps me interested.

I love the UGM. I think it's an example of some of my best work. But, you know, I find myself using it less and less during Traveller games.

...The ship's Jump Drive has been hit in a Space Combat encounter.... The players want to diagnose the problem. Instead of being generic (and spouting off that it'll take a standard 9+ roll to fix it), I play along with them (That's what gaming is all about, yes?).

Off the top of my head, I tell them it's a control unit issue. One of the control sensors governing power to the J-Drive blew, caused by a huge power surge when the ship was hit by the enemy's laser.

"What about backups! There's got to be backups for something that important on a starship!" My players are crafty ones. They'll hit me with things like that--things that make sense...things I hadn't thought of on-the-fly.

But, I don't miss a beat, "Oh yeah, there are backups all right. Three of them, to be exact, on this model J-Drive. The problem is, the power surge was so strong it blew through all THREE of the backups!

Oh, frack!

That's right, baby. Now, we're gamin'.

Players: "So...whadda we gotta do to fix it?"

And, this is where I'd normally throw in a UGM task. Blah, blah, blah..."it'll take an Average roll to fix the J-Drive"....because...blah, blah, blah.

See...

The CT system is actually more interesting for the GM. The roles aren't the same each and every game.

Like each and every individual incident, EACH is looked at individually, by the GM, and a roll is created SPECIFIC to the situation.

There's something very appealing about that.

That's something about it that's addictive....







So, instead of applying the UGM to the task at hand (above), I might get a little more creative about it.

I think to myself...hmmm...let's make the players work together on this. The guys on the bridge will monitor the computer while the acutal physical work of replacing or bypassing or jury-rigging the control unit will be done at the access hatch on the J-Drive itself.

"Do we have spare parts?"

I think that's likely. Using Rule 68A, I quickly say, "Let's see. Engineer, roll 6+ to have a spare control unit on hand."

"But," the player playing the Engineer says, "Didn't we just have hour annual overhaul a couple of game sessions ago? Wouldn't we restock things like that?"

"You're right," I say, "I forgot. Make that a 5+ roll (Fine-Tuning Rule 68A).

OK. So, what needs to happen is this (I'm thinking to myself, quickly, as the game proceeds). A - The control unit needs to be physically replaced in the J-Drive, and B - the power differential needs to be monitored from a computer terminal (and, since they're in combat, this will be done from the bridge).

The ship's pilot and navigator are on the bridge. The navigator will monitor the power differential, and his instructions will guide the physical installation of the control unit.

I'll have the navigator make a throw, reflecting his performance in monitoring the power differential read-outs and his ability to relay that information to the engineer, who is installing the control unit.

The navigator's job is easy. Using rule 68A, I'll fine tune a 6+ throw needed to a 5+. Navigation-1 allows the throw to be made (no DMs). But, if the navigator also has Computer skill, he can use that skill as a positive DM on the throw.

Our navigator has Navigation-2 and Computer-1. So, he's throwing 2D +1 for 5+. He throws an 8, for a grand total of 9. Not bad.

Now...I want the engineer to be guided by the Navigator's direction. So, the Engineer's throw will be based on the Navigator's result.

The higher the Navigator's throw, the easier it will be for the Engineer.

Since our Navigator threw a 9, I'll make that the target number for the Engineer. The Engineer will have to throw 9- on 2D to succeed.

As for DMs on that roll, the process (I decide) is easier for a skilled mechanic. I decide that Mechanical skill will help the roll at a total of 2 points per level. If the Engineer doesn't have Mechanical Skill, he can still use his Engineering skill, but only at 1 point per level.

Our Engineer has Engineering-2 and Mechanical-1. So, it's a wash. Either skill will provide a beneficial -2 DM to the roll.

Now, the roll is made to install the control unit. The Engineer has to roll 2D -2 for 9-.

He rolls. Oh no! He rolls boxcars!

It's the only result that would make the Engineer fail. And, he did.

As GM, I say that he just shorted out the control chip. It's now no good.

"What about a second spare?"

"You rolled 5+ last time. Since you had one, I'll make this easy. Roll 4+ for 1-6 additional spares on-hand."

The roll is bricked. A "3" is rolled. No more spares.

"Alright," I say, "What are you going to do now? You've used up your supply of control chip spares. Plus, 15 minutes have gone by, and we're into a second space combat round."

The Engineer has a bright idea. "Hey! How about trying to scavenge parts from the four busted control units in order to make one good one?"

"I think that's a great idea," I say. "Here's what we're going to do..."



See how the CT Task System is addictive?

It's more personal. It's more organic. It just fits the game better.

Rule 68A gives me a starting point, but my imagination is the limit as I take into consideration all the elements of the problem at hand and devise a rule.



I almost hate to admit it, but I'm actually becoming a retro fan of the CT structureless system. Rule 68A gives me all the structure I need...

...and, to be honest, as a GM, I find the game more enjoyable when I'm involved with it, in this depth, from this aspect.

I've always liked structured task systems, but my tastes are changing.

Out is "one-size-fits-all".

In is the retro "individual basis creative thing".

At least, for me, anyway.
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Looks like gaming right out of the 70s. Brings a tear to my eye it does!

This is basically how I GM'd. But you are right, it gives some structure so it is "fairer" to the players and they also understand what the ground rules are.

Also, you could just have them roll 2D, not tell them the target number and see how it goes. Adding that level of suspense worked well for my group.

He rolls 2D, adds his DM's then looks expectantly at me... "Did it work?" he asks, a little quaver in his voice. The look on his face is priceless...

Ah the good times!

I must admit I like this one better than the UGM, which I like better than any other Task System I have seen for Traveller. QAD!
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Default What about a character's STATS! Huh?

Look through your CT materials. Character stats aren't referenced for throws that often. You see them in character generation. You see them in the combat rules. And, you see them, here and there, in other rules in adventures and supplements.

But, the majority three-fourths of the rolls presented in CT materials do not reference character stats.

What does this tell us?

What's your impression?








What I think is that, in CT, actual experience in an area of expertise is KING. It's what is most important. It's what will provide the greatest benefit (most of the time).

The effect of natural ability on most task throws is virtually nill.

So...that begs a question.

When do we, as GMs, use natural ability and reference character stats during a game when creating throws?

I think the answer to that is: When the influence of natural ability is overpowering.







If you're talking about picking up an unconscious comrade and carrying him, STR is obviously a factor. END may play a role as well, depending on how far you intend on carrying your buddy.

In fact, there are no skills that cover this type of thing (no official skill...you're free to create one, though), so a GM would devise a roll, in-game, based on the character's stats.

Personally, I wouldn't make a character roll to drag the character (or even pick him up), unless the character had a low STR. I'd say something like, "Roll 1D for STR or less to pick up and carry your shipmate." See...typically, this wouldn't be necessary, unless the character had a STR-4 or something like that.

How far can the character carry his buddy without having to put him down? Periodically, I'd do something like: "Add STR + END, and then roll that number or less on 3D." I'd increase the dice if very long distances (between cities in the wilderness, for example) were involved.



What about other instances where a character's stat might have an overwhelming influence on a task roll.

Say a couple of characters are exploring an old abandoned smuggler's camp on a world. It's a tropical region. One character walks into a tent that is overgrown with foilage. Hidden in the dark, at the top of the tent, is an indigenous spider-analogue.

Does the character notice spider in time?

INT would play a part in this. I'd say the Recon skill would help out. So would the Survival skill.

A simple roll to notice the spider would be: Roll 2D for INT or less. DMs of -2 per Recon skill level or -1 per Survival skill level (both skills cannot be used). Spider is green colored, so use a +1 DM. And, the spider is nestled in the dark overgrowth of the ceiling of the tent, above the character's sight level, allowing for another +1 DM.

Another GM may attack this throw differently. Using Rule 68A, the GM decides it's fairly difficult to notice the spider. 10+ roll. But, the player has stated his character is weary and looking in all directions, so the GM fine tunes this down by a point to 9+. The spider's color and overgrowth camoflage is included in this difficulty.

So, the roll is 2D for 9+. Recon skill provides +2 DM per skill level. Survival skill provides +1 DM per skill level.

But, what about INT? The GM thinks that a character's INT will have an overbearing impact on noticing the spider, so he just uses the 68A rule.

The GM believes that only a high level of INT would be able to influence the rule, but he also decides to overweight the bonus should it kick in.

So...INT-A is the base. The GM fine tunes this by lowering it a point. And, the rule is: INT-9 or better grants the character a +2 DM on the throw.







So...What about those stats, huh?

How I see stats implemented in Classic Traveller is exemplified in the examples above. Stats are typically ignored on task throws because natural ability plays so little a part when dicing for outcomes.

It is only when stats have an overwhelming influence on the outcome of a throw that stats are referenced under the CT system.

Pure stat throws, like the "carrying your buddy" example above, focus a great deal of the throw on the stat itself.

But, stats can also have a more subtle impact on throws as indicated in the second version of the "noticing the spider" example above.



Bottom line is this: Ignore stats in CT Task Throws unless you have an overpowering reason reference them on the task.



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He rolls 2D, adds his DM's then looks expectantly at me... "Did it work?" he asks, a little quaver in his voice. The look on his face is priceless...
I second this, in an extremely huge way.

Over the years, I've learned that it is almost always best to keep the target number secret from the players. They should throw and then look to you to see what happened. If you're a good GM, you won't simply tell them that they succeeded for failed. What you'll do is act out the results. You'll describe, vividly, what happened.

I truly believe that this one, simple, thing is the biggest attraction of the d20 system. Whether players know it or not, I think this aspect of d20...this "well, what happened!" thing...is a major reason for the system's mass appeal.

Likewise, I think this is a major detractor of the T4/T5 system, because, by design, players know their targets from the start.

When I designed UGM, I knew I was giving up this desireable aspect (because all UGM tasks succeed on a roll of 8+). I did it because the "8+" target was so central to CT already.

When using the UGM, I found ways around it. Yes, all tasks succeed on 8+, but I wouldn't tell players all of their modifiers...I'd only tell them the ones their characters would know about. This kept the outcome somewhat a mystery after the dice were rolled.

But, yes, Yes, YES! YES!!

If, as a GM, you can keep your target numbers secret from your players, then, by all means, make every effort to do so.

The aspect of: Player rolls, then looks at the GM to see what happened....is a huge, Huge, HUGE tool in the GM's arsenal.

Don't let this one go if you can keep from doing so.

Going back to retro CT unstructured Tasks, it's easy to implement the rule.

It's about suspense.

And, it's about story-telling.

Two very important aspects of a great role playing game.
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Yup. Like many GM's, he picked one of the 3 different approaches to resolving actions within CT rules over the others.
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Brings a tear to my eye it does!
Brings me heartburn just thinking about it...

I don't miss the days of inconsistent rulesets.
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Yup. Like many GM's, he picked one of the 3 different approaches to resolving actions within CT rules over the others.
What are the other two?

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I know we've buried our differences, Wil, so don't take this as fightin' words. But, you and I have got to be a far an example of polar opposites as they come.

You don't like the UGM. You don't prefer CT. Heck, you don't like the new Battelstar Galactica!

I think the only thing we do agree on is that the UTP is a pretty damn good task system.

I can't think of much else. Can you?
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What I think is that, in CT, actual experience in an area of expertise is KING. It's what is most important. It's what will provide the greatest benefit (most of the time).

The effect of natural ability on most task throws is virtually nill.

(snipy myself0

Stats are typically ignored on task throws because natural ability plays so little a part when dicing for outcomes.

It is only when stats have an overwhelming influence on the outcome of a throw that stats are referenced under the CT system.


You know, looking over the Mongoose V2 playtest and seeing those stat modifiers that apply to each task roll (and thinking of the ACT system or the UTP from MegaTraveller), stats are really, really overpowering in those games.

On a 2D6 system, a +1 is a LARGE modifier. If you're talking about a +3 mod, then you're talking about virtual success most of the time.

Compound this with the fact that, usually, the stat isn't the only thing modifying the roll. Many times, skill is in there too. A simple Skill-2, with a +3 DM for stat, when rolling 2D6 means that you will hardly ever fail.

This is the main reason I limited stat bonus with UGM (it's a +1, and at max a +2). Looking at this, I think the CT developers knew what they were doing.

Stat doesn't interfere with the roll until stat makes a big difference to the roll. And, then when it does, stat's influence is typically pretty signifcant.
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