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Space Cadet May 1st, 2007 04:52 PM

Seems that with the lack of true Artificial Intelligence in 2320, there is a way to create creatures in a reality overlay involving genetics.

For example a stem cell might be engineered to grow only brain tissue the brain tissue or "Borged" to some electronic components feeding the brain sensory data either from actual sensors or generated in a reality overlay, similar to that in the movies the Matrix. To get all the lower animals either use primitive sub-human level AI programs or actually grown organic brains of these animals. The brains are fed nutrients and given sensory inputs and a sensation of having a body which their brains can control. For the more intelligent characters, what is required are intelligent actors to play the various roles of supporting characters or opponents for the players who pay for this whole system.

One interesting possibility is some disreputable company might elect to grow human brains from stem cells and give them virtual bodies. Some evil people might even grow organic brains to fit into full body cyborgs on purpose and make an army of cyborg soldiers this way, Lets say some independent colony gets a little ambitious, has no scruples and decides to grow human brains to power the cyborgs of his army, they might even be cloned human brains in full cyborg suits all with weapons appropriately attached. Can you imagine some billionaire who establishes himself on a distant planet, and in his secret laboratory with the help of some employed scientists and engineers, he clones himself to grow brains for his cyborg army of soldiers, he raises them and trains them in a virtual reality overlay, a process which takes about 20 years, and when their ready, he implants them into full body cyborg soldiers and mounts an invasion of neighboring colonial worlds.

What do you think, feasible for 2320AD?

Nearside May 1st, 2007 05:06 PM

I don't think it's really part of the flavor of the canon-2320 setting.

This probably belongs in the "In My Traveller Universe" part of the forum.

Border Reiver May 1st, 2007 06:36 PM

This belongs right here in the 2300 forum.

This could easily form a nice Chinese Arm/Provolution campaign. Why make the brain tissue human though when a matrix of simpler neural tissues may well be adequate for the task; mice, squid, gibbon, shark?

And if we're using a virual training environment, well it could easily be accelerated, 20 years of training achieved in minutes in the tank. Endless possibilities in a sadly neglected aspect of 2300 canon.

Nearside May 1st, 2007 06:52 PM

I think the line "cyborg army of soldiers" is what prompted me to think that this might not really fit into the canon background, but go wild.

TWILIGHT May 1st, 2007 07:23 PM

Not in my 2300 universe! ;)
Provolution...yes.ok.to a point. but judging by your other posts I'm not sure 2320Ad is the game for you space cadet. Alternity or trinity. Or there is a non-canon 2300AD forum out there if you'd like to try them. I only say this because the posts in 2320 so far I've seen you make are seriously non-canon.
If there we're cyborg armies what would be the point (from a fictional plot viewpoint) of walkers and kafers? Kafers would be reduced to fodder and walkers would be slow, cumbersome death traps. IMHO.

Border Reiver May 1st, 2007 09:18 PM

I have to say there are still ideas here that can be worked upon; dismissing them on the basis of previous posts is quite unfair. A place for discussion, neh?

And the threat will be at the other side of known space, away from the Kafers, the Pentapods, the Septics etc. I see the "army" as not a massed assault on humanity but as a disposable tool of terror that will be used to surgically eliminate targets where the Provolutionary Superhuman will not risk the their gene pool.

Without conjuring up the imagery I see Doctor Who Cyberman-like automatons, ruthless killing machines programmed in fighting. Could they be captured and used on the Kafer front? Would the Manchurians decide that the could utilise them to dominate Terran politics? Yes, the walkers may become cumbersome deathtraps but could they be the force to stimulate the development of real powersuits?

Nearside May 1st, 2007 09:18 PM

Yeah, I have to agree with Twilight. I'm all for interesting ideas, but 2320AD really doesn't seem like the right place. The non-canon 2300 forum is the best place for tangents such as this, and I'm glad it's there, so people can share ideas.

There's already more than enough (too much!) to explore inside the canon background, and I believe, with all due respect, that this is the place for that kind of discussion.

Having said that, who knows what the crazy Penty scientists are up to. With some tweaking, there's a couple of decent ideas here.

Border Reiver May 1st, 2007 10:28 PM

Speaking of penty scientists, an idea from Peter F. Hamilton's Fallen dragon worth exploring is the living armoured suit, a biological alternative to combat walkers/powered armour.

Oh and can someone link me to the non-canon 2300 forum as it's not listed on my screen, only this and the 2320 playtest.

Time to work on a provolutionary idea, I'll continue this on the moot.

Nearside May 1st, 2007 10:46 PM

Gahhhahhhhhh - I always get the shivers when I think about the way the penty stuff could go. The living 'encounter suit' or powered battlesuit is a great example.

Colin May 2nd, 2007 01:52 AM

Let's see... Full-body cyborgs, check, but there are only 81 of them in human space, and they are tied to critical support requirements for power, maintenance, and strained apricots. Hardly super-soldier material, though they could be very dangerous in a rapid-assualt scenario.

Pentapod bio-suits... check. Even a reference to how they give Pentapod conspiracy theorists the heebie-jeebies.

Cloning brains... Possible. Illegal, yes, but possible. As for quick training, though, not so much. Even with reality overlays and Cortescan xv technology (oops, there's a secret...), training still takes time, not just for the skills to be poured in, but for the body to learn how to use those skills.
Most cybernetics in 2320AD actually have an XP "cost" associated with them, to represent the training time required to use them. Quick training, in this case, could simply be more of the same, requiring an outlay of XP (for PCs), or perhaps alien levels. This would be more appropriate for Pentapod tech in 2320, rather than Human tech, buit is does hold some interesting possibilities.


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