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Thot July 13th, 2017 05:34 AM

Antiagathics and rejuvenation
 
I know, there is a good reason why humaniti hasn't solved the riddle of rejuvenation in the OTU:

It might make society too alien for players

But it may very well be that the first of the above reasons to not have it could... vanish in a few years.

http://news.harvard.edu/gazette/stor...ellular-aging/

"“Our results unveil a key mechanism in cellular degeneration and aging, but beyond that they point to a therapeutic avenue to halt and reverse age-related and radiation-induced DNA damage,” said senior author David Sinclair, professor in the Department of Genetics at HMS, co-director of the Paul F. Glenn Center for the Biology of Aging, and professor at the University of New South Wales School of Medicine in Sydney."


So, how would Imperial history have unfolded it rejuvenation technology, without all the negative side effects of classic Traveller antiagathics, had been made available to the Vilani at least after the Nth Interstellar War?

kilemall July 13th, 2017 10:05 AM

Well it certainly would promote the conservative approach the First Imperium was known for, as powerful people could be in place for 100 years plus to enforce it.

Lycanorukke July 13th, 2017 10:03 PM

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Originally Posted by kilemall (Post 569434)
Well it certainly would promote the conservative approach the First Imperium was known for, as powerful people could be in place for 100 years plus to enforce it.

The catch though is the Vilani medical tech would never have gotten to the level required. Even in the article it says a many of the interactions were found by cross comparison and testing with other species. Vilani didn't have that benefit.

The Soli's on the other hand...

flykiller July 14th, 2017 01:05 AM

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So, how would Imperial history have unfolded it rejuvenation technology, without all the negative side effects of classic Traveller antiagathics, had been made available to the Vilani
Forbidden Science of the Second Imperium
http://www.travellerrpg.com/CotI/Dis...ead.php?t=1023

Thot July 14th, 2017 09:10 PM

Hm, but wouldn't at least the Solomani use this? The way it looks right now, this technology will be available way before the canonical invention of the Jump Drive on Terra, which means by the Nth Interstellar war it will have been something every Solomani was simply used to. It is hard to imagine they'd give that up.

maksimsmelchak July 15th, 2017 07:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Thot (Post 569425)
I know, there is a good reason why humaniti hasn't solved the riddle of rejuvenation in the OTU: It might make society too alien for players.

There is a reason why immortal lifeforms are either non-existent or incredibly rare. Why have children or bother reproducing if there isn't a huge motivation?

Malthus and others become far more of a worry without a little built-in obsolescence.

*** Why have history teachers if YOU were there? ***

So many questions...

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Originally Posted by Thot (Post 569425)
So, how would Imperial history have unfolded rejuvenation technology, without all the negative side effects of classic Traveller antiagathics, had it been made available to the Vilani at least after the Nth Interstellar War?

The Interstellar Wars were turf battles that turned into a culture war...

I'm not sure that a holy grail like perfective anagathics might have changed the equation.

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mike wightman July 16th, 2017 05:00 AM

Look again at the OTU, especially T5 and MWM's novel.

Personalities can be transferred to computers and wafers and downloaded into other hosts temporarily, possibly permanently into a cloned body.

The rich can afford anagathic treatments, and those same treatments are offered as an incentive for colonists with vital skills.

LeperColony July 16th, 2017 05:15 AM

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Originally Posted by mike wightman (Post 569612)
Look again at the OTU, especially T5 and MWM's novel.

Personalities can be transferred to computers and downloaded into other hosts temporarily, possibly permanently into a cloned body.

The rich can afford anagathic treatments, and those same treatments are offered as an incentive for colonists with vital skills.

To be fair, those do seem like more recent developments, in terms of the real life evolution of Traveller as a setting.

It's always been my impression that Traveller has taken a relatively pessimistic view of the possible limits to life extension (and, for that matter, computing power and hardware).

Thot July 17th, 2017 02:24 AM

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Originally Posted by maksimsmelchak (Post 569585)
There is a reason why immortal lifeforms are either non-existent or incredibly rare. Why have children or bother reproducing if there isn't a huge motivation?

Malthus and others become far more of a worry without a little built-in obsolescence.

Well, but the 3rd Imperium and its predecessors were extremely conservative, given the galaxy they lived in. That would fit in with ancient nobles clinging on to power and outdated views, resulting in the extremely slow economic growth the Imperium has always known.

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*** Why have history teachers if YOU were there? ***
[...]
Because 1. human memory is fallible and 2. not everyone will be that old.

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The Interstellar Wars were turf battles that turned into a culture war...

I'm not sure that a holy grail like perfective anagathics might have changed the equation.
[...]
Well, I am rather sure that, as long as the Vilani count as human, they will want to live longer, so they would probably just adopted that Terran technology and ignore all cognitive dissonance from that.

Thot July 17th, 2017 03:20 AM

As a plothook for a Traveller game: An archeologist finds evidence that the ancient Solomani had a cure for aging altogether, knowledge which was apparently surpressed during the Rule Of Man. He hires a crew of brave explorers to help him uncover the secret about the cure and its suppression, only to be plunged into an ancient conspiracy that is still very much alive today, and which involved the highest echelons of the Imperial nobility...


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