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Tiikeri November 13th, 2019 03:49 PM

The whole issue seems like it has a big passel of game balance artificialities stuck on to it. Like you can have this cool thing, but oh you cant have it because its expensive or its illegal or its too high tech or assassins or public opinion or some other rationalization for preventing a game unbalancing item from falling into the clutches of player characters. Or for preventing profound changes to the setting, like well of course the emperor, the nobility, the megacorp ceos are immortal, thats the point of getting rich.

The trouble is the rationalizations are only obstacles to overcome, and player characters are very good at overcoming obstacles.

Its illegal: bah, we're player characters. We dont care a civet for your laws.
Its expensive: double bah, were player characters. We sack gashikan and buy it.
Its only on a few high tech planets: we move there.
They wont let you: why not, were rich, remember?
They dont like you: we steal a shipment, analyze it and make a generic version.
But assassins: we send them back to their mountain monastery in pieces then nuke the site from orbit.
But the younger generations: dont know or care who we are, and if they raise their feeble npc hands against us, we kill them too.
But your heirs want to take over: we have never begat heirs upon any of the elf, sorry, darrian, maidens we compelled to endure our company. Just say we cant have it because of a ref fiat command instead of insulting us with these fig leaf obstacles.

If player character troglodytes can overcome obstacles with enough time and perserverance, it doesnt make sense that the most powerful people in charted space wouldnt be able to.

It has to be integrated into the setting or it shouldnt be in the setting at all.

Condottiere November 14th, 2019 02:07 PM

Mandatory retirement, and progressive taxation.

Warhammer Eldar switch professions, to prevent stagnation.

Tiikeri November 14th, 2019 03:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Thot (Post 608469)
What if all the peacefully replaced emperors are still alive, and only decided to abdicate after a certain time, living in cognito on some distant moon?

Nothing speaks against people taking anagathics forever, and hence living forever. Moreover, real-life biology is beginning to reveal that it may actually be relatively easy to rejuvenate people - we proto-Solomani haven't quite figured it out yet, but we seem to be close.

That implies that immortal oligarchs (or in the OTU, nobles) should be expected to run everything, unless firm legal limitations against that are in place. But why would they, when the state is a feudal oligarchy anyway?


They wouldnt. The emperor would probably have a trust fund to pay for anagathics for loyal servants who get promoted to the peerage until theyre rich enough to get their own. Immortals might even be less confrontational with each other, since they know theyll be dealing with each other for a very long time.

The populace would probably support it since it would promote stable leadership, and the worlds have their own local govts anyway.

I doubt there would be generational conflicts unless the immortals enact policies which irritate oeople, like buying everything up and then price gouging people to use it. Even then it would be a conflict about economic oppression, not immortality. Even then, people could emigrate to a world with better opportunities instead of starting a war against the best funded most experienced people in charted space.

Heirs getting all mad would be a product of theur own envy and reluctance to build their own fortune.

robject November 14th, 2019 04:43 PM

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What if all the peacefully replaced emperors are still alive, and only decided to abdicate after a certain time, living in cognito on some distant moon?

[...]

That implies that immortal oligarchs (or in the OTU, nobles) should be expected to run everything, unless firm legal limitations against that are in place. But why would they, when the state is a feudal oligarchy anyway?
This could be a pretty good (and dark?) setting (but it's not the OTU).

robject November 14th, 2019 04:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Thot
What if all the peacefully replaced emperors are still alive, and only decided to abdicate after a certain time, living in cognito on some distant moon?

[...]

That implies that immortal oligarchs (or in the OTU, nobles) should be expected to run everything, unless firm legal limitations against that are in place. But why would they, when the state is a feudal oligarchy anyway?

This could be a pretty good (and dark?) setting (but it's not the OTU).

GamingGlen November 14th, 2019 06:04 PM

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Originally Posted by flykiller (Post 608473)
... actually, anagathics and the resulting conflicts generated between the old and young would provide a profound motivation and basis for mercenary and corporate and "brushfire" wars ....

SPOILER?




So the Ancients' FINAL WAR was about anagathics?

robject November 14th, 2019 06:16 PM

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Originally Posted by GamingGlen (Post 608519)
SPOILER?




So the Ancients' FINAL WAR was about anagathics?

LOL

So the truth finally comes out.

No wonder Yaskoydray is in hiding. Everybody wants his secret formula.

flykiller November 14th, 2019 07:41 PM

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Mandatory retirement, and progressive taxation.
oh piffle. the eternal rulers would be above such rules, which would be applied only to those who threatened to rise to the level of the eternal rulers. just like all these modern real-world schemes to "tax the rich" and "break the corporate monopolies" - these are used only to tax those rich and break those corporations that are not in the club, while those that are in the club condescendingly carry on as they always have.

CaptRet November 14th, 2019 08:18 PM

If anagathics make you "immortal" (and personally I would doubt it - I think there is some limit), then you could employ the Highlander solution. Fake your own death, leaving all your property to your young relative (really yourself). Amazing how the Hapsburg lip is passed down through the generations.

GamingGlen November 14th, 2019 08:55 PM

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Originally Posted by CaptRet (Post 608529)
If anagathics make you "immortal" (and personally I would doubt it - I think there is some limit), then you could employ the Highlander solution. Fake your own death, leaving all your property to your young relative (really yourself). Amazing how the Hapsburg lip is passed down through the generations.

I think people would catch on after awhile.


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