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Redcap March 10th, 2019 06:08 PM

FFW: Zhodani destroyers?
 
There appears to be a lack of Zho Destroyers for the FFW: Destroyer escorts, etc, yes, but no destroyers that I can find.

Anyone point me to an MgT2e Zho destroyer, please?

(needed for a forthcoming game, so there's a tad of urgency on this)

Ta muchly in swift advance :)

AnotherDilbert March 11th, 2019 07:22 AM

I can't recall any official MgT2 designs.

How about this, as a reimagined Vlezhdatl "Strike Cruiser":

2500 Dt, J-2, M-6, Armour 14, Hull 1100, MCr 1875
Good sensors (DM+5) and ECM (DM+8) with backups and 8 operators.
Computer Core/90 and backup Core/40/fib with full software suite.
Three bays, one Particle (8D, Accurate +1) and two Missile (launches 48).
20 turrets/barbettes (space reserved for 20 barbettes), here
_ 10 Particle (Accurate +1) barbettes against fighters and
_ 10 Pulse Laser (Long Range) turrets against missiles.
2 PD Batteries, kills 3D missiles each.
2 Sub-Command Centres, e.g. dedicated to barbette and turrets (+1 on checks)
8 Nuclear Dampers against Nukes and Fusion Guns.
2 Vlezhdest Fighters
2 Utility Gigs
Limited storage 21 Dt.
Crew: 152, including 14 officers and 48 troops.

Not optimised for any particular role, but reasonably combat effective.

Due to limited jump and storage it often operated in groups of three with a dedicated tanker/tender to extend range and mission endurance.


https://i.imgur.com/QmdmCAv.png

https://i.imgur.com/W54lSYZ.png

AnotherDilbert March 11th, 2019 07:35 AM

Vlezhdest (Star Prince) Fighter:

35.2 Dt, M-9, Armour 14+Reflec, Hull 17, MCr 36.
Reaction drive-16 with 8 turn fuel. Additional fuel can be carried in drop tanks.
Very basic sensors (DM -4).
Small computer m/15 with m/10fib backup and small selection of software.
Fusion barbette (5D, Long Range).
Crew: 2.

https://i.imgur.com/gzTOYKS.png

Redcap March 11th, 2019 08:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AnotherDilbert (Post 599945)
I can't recall any official MgT2 designs.

How about this, as a reimagined Vlezhdatl "Strike Cruiser":

(mass snippage)

Thanks for the fast reply :) I've got a CT LBB 5 design for a strike destroyer (5,000 ton hull), but no real way to convert it directly across without spending inordinate amounts of time I don't have working it up from scratch in MgT HG2e, which is annoying (to say the least).

This said, that CS of yours is interesting; I've never understood why anything short of a carrier would need fighters (heck, I've never understood the need for any non-carrier to have them) - Guess I'm old-fashioned ;)

However, as you say, it's a tad short on legs, which is a problem, as the vessel I have in mind for this adventure will be encountered, operating independently, doing a little deep penetration work in the 5FW, and will need minimum J-3, ideally J-4 (my CT LBB HG design is a J-3, and carries two 50-ton armed cutters for boarding actions).

Thoughts?

Redcap March 11th, 2019 08:22 AM

This is the CT LBB HG2e design for the DS I mentioned above (note it scrolls off to the right in that text box!):

Code:

Ship: Badreapr
Class: Badreapr
Type: Strike Destroyer
Architect: Roger Stenning
Tech Level: 14

USP
        DS-E2333D5-270103-70909-0 MCr 4,870.745 5 KTons
Bat Bear            1  1 1 1 2  Crew: 94
Bat                  1  1 1 1 2  TL: 14

Cargo: 329.500 Crew Sections: 5 of 19 Frozen Watch Fuel: 2,150 EP: 150 Agility: 1 Shipboard Security Detail: 5 Marines: 30
Craft: 2 x 50T Armed Cutter
Fuel Treatment: Fuel Scoops and On Board Fuel Purification
Backups: 1 x 2G Maneuver Drive 1 x Jump 2 Drive 1 x Factor 2 Power Plant 1 x Model/3fib Computer 1 x Bridge

Architects Fee: MCr 48.007  Cost in Quantity: MCr 3,910.596


Detailed Description
  (High Guard Design)

HULL
5,000.000 tons standard, 70,000.000 cubic meters, Cone Configuration

CREW
14 Officers, 50 Ratings, 30 Marines

ENGINEERING
Jump-3, 3G Manuever, Power plant-3, 150.000 EP, Agility 1
1 x Jump-2 Backup, 1 x 2 G Manuever Backup, 1 x Power plant-2 Backup

AVIONICS
Bridge, Model/4fib Computer
1 Backup Bridge, 1 Model/3fib Backup Computer

HARDPOINTS
1 100-ton bay, 3 50-ton bays, 10 Hardpoints

ARMAMENT
1 x 100-ton Particle Accelerator Bay (Factor-9), 2 x 50-ton Missile Bays (Factor-9), 5 x Triple Beam Laser Turrets organised into 1 Battery (Factor-7)

DEFENCES
1 x 50-ton Repulsor Bay (Factor-3), 5 x Triple Sandcaster Turrets organised into 1 Battery (Factor-7), 1 x Nuclear Damper (Factor-1), Armoured Hull (Factor-2)

CRAFT
2 x 50.000 ton Armed Cutter (Each with Crew of 2, Cost of MCr 35.000)

FUEL
2,150 Tons Fuel (4 parsecs jump and 28 days endurance)
On Board Fuel Scoops, On Board Fuel Purification Plant

MISCELLANEOUS
51 Staterooms, 19 Low Berths, 329 Tons Cargo

USER DEFINED COMPONENTS
None

COST
MCr 4,848.752 Singly (incl. Architects fees of MCr 48.007), MCr 3,840.596 in Quantity, plus MCr 70.000 of Carried Craft (Hardpoints and Turrets charged)

CONSTRUCTION TIME
148 Weeks Singly, 118 Weeks in Quantity

COMMENTS
Strike Destroyer, designed for independent actions, primarily intended for use as a medium reconnaissance ship in advance of a main attack fleet, and in more domestic anti-piracy operations. Cargo space is for long-term consumables such as food, wwater, munitions/ammunition, engineering spares, and captured 'booty'/evidence.



Badreapr Class Strike Destroyer

Book 5 Crew Breakdown
Command section: 7 officers and 4 ratings; Engineering section: 2 officers and 13 ratings; Gunnery section: 2 officers and 13 ratings; Flight section: 1 officers and 6 ratings; Service section: 1 officers and 9 ratings; Medical Section: 1 officers and 0 ratings; Marines: 30
HULL
Hull: 0.000 Td; MCr 550.000
Armour Factor-2: 150.000 Td; MCr 75.000

ENGINEERING
M-Drive Factor-3: 400.000 Td; MCr 200.000
J-Drive Factor-3: 200.000 Td; MCr 800.000
P-Plant Factor-3: 300.000 Td; MCr 900.000; +150.000 EP
1 x Backup M-Drive Factor-2: 250.000 Td; MCr 175.000
1 x Backup J-Drive Factor-2: 150.000 Td; MCr 600.000
1 x Backup P-Plant Factor-2: 200.000 Td; MCr 1,200.000

FUEL
P-Fuel: 150.000 Td; MCr 0,000
J-Fuel: 2,000.000 Td; MCr 0.000
Scoops: 0.000 Td; MCr 5.000
Purification: 5.000 Td; MCr 0.035
L-Hyd Drop Tanks: 0.000 Td; MCr 0.000

AVIONICS
Bridge: 100.000 Td; MCr 25.000
Computer Model/4fib: 8.000 Td; MCr 45.000; -2 EP
1 x Backup Bridge: 100.000 Td; MCr 25.000
1 x Backup Computer Model/3fib: 6.000 Td; MCr 27.000

WEAPONRY
1 x 100T Particle Accelerator Bays: 100.000 Td; MCr 36.000; -60 EP
1 x 50T Repulsor Bays: 50.000 Td; MCr 6.500; -5 EP
2 x 50T Missile Bays: 100.000 Td; MCr 25.000
5 x Laser Turrets: 5.000 Td; MCr 20.500; -15 EP
5 x Sand Turrets: 5.000 Td; MCr 9.250

SCREENS
Nuclear Damper Factor-1: 50.000 Td; MCr 50.000; -10.000 EP

CRAFT
1 x Armed Cutter: 65.000Td; MCr 0.130; Cost of craft: MCr 35.000
1 x Armed Cutter: 65.000Td; MCr 0.130; Cost of craft: MCr 35.000

ACCOMODATIONS
51 x Staterooms: 202.000 Td; MCr 25.250
19 x Low Berths: 9.500 Td; MCr 0.950
Cargo: 329.500 Td; MCr 0.000

USER DEFINED


AnotherDilbert March 11th, 2019 08:35 AM

I stared with this: https://wiki.travellerrpg.com/Z.I.S.M.V._Vlezhdatl


Many small Zho designs carry fighters. The Zho seems to like fighters...

AnotherDilbert March 11th, 2019 09:27 AM

A quickie conversion of your design would be:

5000 Dt, J-3, M-6, Armour 14, Hull 2200, MCr 3800
Backup drives: J-2, M-2, PP-2. Backup bridge.
Good sensors (DM+5) and ECM (DM+8) with backups and 15 operators.
Computer Core/90 and backup Core/40/fib with full software suite.
Three bays, one Particle (8D, Accurate +1) and two Missile (launches 48).
40 turrets/barbettes (space reserved for 20 barbettes), here
_ 20 Particle (Accurate +1) barbettes against fighters and
_ 20 Pulse Laser (Long Range) turrets against missiles.
7 PD Batteries, kills 3D missiles each.
3 Sub-Command Centres, e.g. dedicated to barbette, turrets, and sensors (+1 on checks)
10 Nuclear Dampers against Nukes and Fusion Guns.
2 Utility Cutters
Storage 157 Dt. A few extra staterooms and medical low berths.
Crew: 114, including 11 officers and 30 troops. (Note: Used reduced crew for large ships.) 10 staterooms are enhanced for psions.


Not optimised for any particular role, but reasonably combat effective.

I added armour and M-6 drive, fairly cheap and very useful in combat, almost mandatory. I didn't manage J-4 without severely compromising combat performance.


https://i.imgur.com/CJXB73K.png

https://i.imgur.com/ovJt2UP.png

AnotherDilbert March 11th, 2019 09:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Redcap (Post 599948)
This said, that CS of yours is interesting; I've never understood why anything short of a carrier would need fighters (heck, I've never understood the need for any non-carrier to have them) - Guess I'm old-fashioned ;)

In Mongoose fighters can be lethal even to battleships.

They are also quite useful to extend your sensor range.

Redcap March 11th, 2019 09:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AnotherDilbert (Post 599950)
I stared with this: https://wiki.travellerrpg.com/Z.I.S.M.V._Vlezhdatl


Many small Zho designs carry fighters. The Zho seems to like fighters...

Interesting. Thanks :)

Redcap March 11th, 2019 10:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AnotherDilbert (Post 599954)
In Mongoose fighters can be lethal even to battleships.

They are also quite useful to extend your sensor range.

OK, upgraded a bit (thanks to you and CliffBates (off-list)!). Changed hull format from cone to needle/wedge. Replaced all sand casters with lasers, replaced all missiles with additional PA bays; added two fighters, repurposed empty space to additional ships stores.

Reasoning: From the wiki at https://wiki.travellerrpg.com/Destro...lass_Archtypes

Quote:

Strike destroyers (DS) are intended for long-range reconnaissance and deep level offensive operations. Their best defense is their stealth, and are not intended to take on offensive operations against ships of similar weight and weapons. They run from serious competition and target under-defended installations and smaller ships. They will try to avoid taking serious damage unless there is a good reason for doing so.
The Badreapr class DS is the Zhodani answer to a deep-penetration destroyer, tasked with sneaking into a target system and having "a quick shufti" to see what's there to oppose an attacking force. It has no need of traditional missile armaments, and will do its best to stay out of the range of missiles, favouring it's particle accelerator to keep at beyond stand-off ranges while it prepared to jump out of trouble. It carries marines for boarding actions against lesser-capable opponents, and to perform reconnaissance missions, using the 50-ton armed cutters to ferry them to and from their insertion and extraction points (dropping them in orbit using grav-chute-equipped orbital personal re-entry kits if necessary; see MegaTraveller Journal 3 page 74, (c) DGP March 1992).

Code:

Ship: Badreapr
Class: Badreapr
Type: Strike Destroyer
Architect: Roger Stenning
Tech Level: 14

USP
        DS-E1347D5-200103-70900-0 MCr 4,971.818 5 KTons
Bat Bear                1 1 3    Crew: 102
Bat                      1 1 3    TL: 14

Cargo: 0 Crew Sections: 5 of 21 Frozen Watch Fuel: 1,850 EP: 350 Agility: 2 Shipboard Security Detail: 5 Marines: 30 Pulse Lasers
Craft: 2 x 50T Armed Cutters, 2 x 25T Baql class Light Fighters
Fuel Treatment: Fuel Scoops and On Board Fuel Purification
Backups: 1 x 2G Maneuver Drive 1 x Factor 3 Power Plant 1 x Model/3fib Computer

Architects Fee: MCr 47.866  Cost in Quantity: MCr 4,014.494


Detailed Description
  (High Guard Design)

HULL
5,000.000 tons standard, 70,000.000 cubic meters, Needle/Wedge Configuration

CREW
14 Officers, 58 Ratings, 30 Marines

ENGINEERING
Jump-3, 4G Manuever, Power plant-7, 350.000 EP, Agility 2
12 G Manuever Backup, 1 Power plant-3 Backup

AVIONICS
Bridge, Model/4fib Computer
1 Model/3fib Backup Computer

HARDPOINTS
3 100-ton bays, 1 50-ton bay, 10 Hardpoints

ARMAMENT
3 100-ton Particle Accelerator Bays (Factor-9), 10 Triple Pulse Laser Turrets organised into 1 Battery (Factor-7)

DEFENCES
1 50-ton Repulsor Bay (Factor-3), Nuclear Damper (Factor-1), Armoured Hull (Factor-2)

CRAFT
2 50.000 ton Armed Cutters (Crew of 2, Cost of MCr 35.000), 2 25.000 ton Baql class Light Fighters (Crew of 1, Cost of MCr 57.600)

FUEL
1,850 Tons Fuel (3 parsecs jump and 28 days endurance)
On Board Fuel Scoops, On Board Fuel Purification Plant

MISCELLANEOUS
54.5 Staterooms, 49 Low Berths, 0 Ton Cargo

USER DEFINED COMPONENTS
1 Additional ships stores and food/water supplies (34.500 tons, Crew 0, Cost MCr 0.000)

COST
MCr 4,834.484 Singly (incl. Architects fees of MCr 47.866), MCr 3,829.294 in Quantity, plus MCr 185.200 of Carried Craft

CONSTRUCTION TIME
148 Weeks Singly, 118 Weeks in Quantity

COMMENTS
Strike Destroyer, designed for independent actions, primarily intended for use
as a medium reconnaissance ship in advance of a main attack fleet, and in
deep penetration attacks as part of a small group (5-ship sqn) of similar
classed ships. Not intended to engage in combat with ships of the line of
similar or larger tonnage/capabilities other than to "shoot and scoot".



Badreapr Class Strike Destroyer

Book 5 Crew Breakdown
Command section: 7 officers and 4 ratings; Engineering section: 2 officers and 18 ratings; Gunnery section: 2 officers and 12 ratings; Flight section: 1 officers and 10 ratings; Service section: 1 officers and 9 ratings; Medical Section: 1 officers and 0 ratings; Marines: 30
HULL
Hull: 0.000 Td; MCr 600.000
Armour Factor-2: 150.000 Td; MCr 75.000

ENGINEERING
M-Drive Factor-4: 550.000 Td; MCr 275.000
J-Drive Factor-3: 200.000 Td; MCr 800.000
P-Plant Factor-7: 700.000 Td; MCr 2,100.000; +350.000 EP
1 x Backup M-Drive Factor-2: 250.000 Td; MCr 175.000
1 x Backup P-Plant Factor-3: 300.000 Td; MCr 450.000

FUEL
P-Fuel: 350.000 Td; MCr 0,000
J-Fuel: 1,500.000 Td; MCr 0.000
Scoops: 0.000 Td; MCr 5.000
Purification: 4.000 Td; MCr 0.028
L-Hyd Drop Tanks: 0.000 Td; MCr 0.000

AVIONICS
Bridge: 100.000 Td; MCr 25.000
Computer Model/4fib: 8.000 Td; MCr 45.000; -2 EP
1 x Backup Computer Model/3fib: 6.000 Td; MCr 27.000

WEAPONRY
3 x 100T Particle Accelerator Bays: 300.000 Td; MCr 108.000; -180 EP
1 x 50T Repulsor Bays: 50.000 Td; MCr 6.500; -5 EP
10 x Laser Turrets: 10.000 Td; MCr 15.000; -30 EP

SCREENS
Nuclear Damper Factor-1: 50.000 Td; MCr 50.000; -10.000 EP

CRAFT
2 x Armed Cutter: 130.000Td; MCr 0.260; Cost of craft: MCr 70.000
2 x Baql class Light Fighter: 65.000Td; MCr 0.130; Cost of craft: MCr 115.200

ACCOMODATIONS
54.5 x Staterooms: 218.000 Td; MCr 27.250
49 x Low Berths: 24.500 Td; MCr 2.450
Cargo: 0.000 Td; MCr 0.000

USER DEFINED
1 x Additional ships stores and food/water supplies: 34.500 Td; MCr 0.000; -0.000 EP

Oh, and I'm using High Guard Ships 1.3.1.4 to redesign this :) Pity there isn;t a similar package for MgT HG2e. Oh, well.


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