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iron warrior October 27th, 2010 06:14 AM

Any good hard SF space opera recommendations
 
First, my tastes:

I love L.E. Modessit, Jr's SF mostly, but did not like 'hammer of darkness' and hated 'adiamante'. I thought 'the eternity artifact' was one of the best SF novels I ever read.

I kind of liked Dave Weber for a while, and like parts of his work but got sick and tired of being constantly beaten over the head with his politics. Damn near every book of his had to either A. Bodyslam liberalism, B. Praise conservativism or C. Both. In some of his books the bad parts of humanity were literally called the liberal progressives and portrayed as stupid, selfish morons who would destroy humanity if not stopped. Meanwhile conservative capitalists were the saints. Ugh, I got so sick of that I quit reading him, it was good SF but with the unbearable stench of fox news added in.

I recently discovered Allistair Reynolds and loved his works "The prefect" and "pushing ice". I've read several of the revelation space novels and house of suns. Most of his work ranges from good to great.

I'd like some good hard SF space opera style books. Any recommendations based on the above.? In really don't want a lot of right wing politics thrown in my face, weber did enough of that. PS My head doesn't explode if there's FTL travel involved as I don't consider that to be outside hard SF.

Gray Lensman October 27th, 2010 05:17 PM

I usually wouldn't say this but..............
 
The politics in the Honorverse ( you could give it it's correct name since it not David Weber's ONLY storyline ) are a large part of the story.... Not because they are Conservative OR Liberal.... Only how those two views effect military operations and funding. And yes there is a political side channel going on...... to develop the character to what she needs to be....

BE BOLD SIR.......

http://forums.davidweber.net/viewfor...d62d7b5fb5c56e

fredofmars October 27th, 2010 06:34 PM

Try the RCN Series by David Drake. The first book is "With the Lightnings".

NW_Paul October 27th, 2010 07:04 PM

Maybe a dumb question, but have you read the Lensman series by E.E. "Doc" Smith? This is about as 'space opera' as it gets. The SF portion is a little quaint, as the series itself dates from the '30s. I've heard folks occasionally deride it as being completely cliche, however the reason is that this is where most if not all of the cliches in science fiction began.

iron warrior October 27th, 2010 07:39 PM

I was kind of hoping for more modern SF, with more recent science in it.

As to weber, his socioopolitical views end up poisoning all his work. I read some honorverse stuff, and it was just an endless drum beat of "Socialism bad! me hate! Ugh! Captialism good! me love! Yum!"

Same story in the starfire novels.

rancke October 27th, 2010 08:19 PM

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Originally Posted by iron warrior (Post 360453)
I was kind of hoping for more modern SF, with more recent science in it.

I'll echo the Lieutenant Leary recommendation.

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As to Weber, his socioopolitical views end up poisoning all his work. I read some honorverse stuff, and it was just an endless drum beat of "Socialism bad! me hate! Ugh! Captialism good! me love! Yum!"
That's not what I get out of the Honorverse books at all. I get "Self-serving politicans who betray their principles bad! Politicians with integrity good!" and "Political extremists bad! Moderates good!"



Hans

aramis October 27th, 2010 08:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Rancke2 (Post 360457)
I'll echo the Lieutenant Leary recommendation.


That's not what I get out of the Honorverse books at all. I get "Self-serving politicans who betray their principles bad! Politicians with integrity good!" and "Political extremists bad! Moderates good!"



Hans

I get that, too, but I also get the "Socialism Bad!" message quite strongly.

mike wightman October 27th, 2010 09:17 PM

My favourites are Iain M Banks' culture novels, and anything by Peter F Hamilton

rancke October 27th, 2010 09:39 PM

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Originally Posted by aramis (Post 360459)
I get that, too, but I also get the "Socialism Bad!" message quite strongly.

I'm not saying that Weber is a big fan of Socialism, but I don't think he preaches about it. The political conflicts are mostly personality-driven. Even his Bad Liberals are bad because they're self-serving (and betraying their own basic principles to boot). Cathy Montaigne's new Liberals are portrayed quite positively (though, again, more because Cathy and her adherents are Decent Human Beings than because of their politics).



Hans

robject October 27th, 2010 09:39 PM

Jack McDevitt is current and one of my favorites. Engines of God is a good place to start.


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