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mike wightman February 8th, 2004 03:45 PM

Longbow 2 exists, and since the Empress Wave originated in the Galactic core many years before 1116 (the point at which the two realities diverge) then it should exist in the GT timeline. But, as I asked, have they dropped it as an idea, never to pursue it?

Oops, I've just read my original question, I should have said "GT includes the possibility of...".
Still, it gets people talking ;)

Irsan February 8th, 2004 05:05 PM

Well, the first version I know of Traveller was the GT version, so the GT alternative usniverse is MY default universe. Maybe Wiseman had something in mind for CT, then suddenly with the Rebellion, he had to cancel it and now with an alternate timeline, he can do what he originally planned (just a theory).

What is the Empress Wave? Somebody tell me, please. And please explain me what the Longbow projects are like I'm a six year old.

daryen February 8th, 2004 05:46 PM

Everything I have seen LKW say about the GTU says that everything prior to 1116 (except for a couple of very minor items necessary to kill Dulinor) are identical between the OTU and the GTU.

The GT rulebook specifically states in the sidebar on p30 that
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The reason Strephon was away from Capital remains the same in both universes, ...
Strephon was away to check up on the Longbow project, which was being affected by the EW. Consequently, the EW is almost guaranteed to be in the GTU.

Of course, this is practically irrelevant, as the EW won't reach Imperial space for at least another 80 (game) years. Same for the practical effects on the Zhodani to appear. That won't happen for another 80 years, too.

So, while the EW is in the GTU, it doesn't really matter as it is just too far in the future to make any difference.

Quick explanation:
The Empress Wave is a psionic "wave" that seems to have a negative effect on psions. It is moving from "core-ish" out at approximately the speed of light. As it is washing over the Zhodani Consulate, it is causing significant disturbances with the Consulate. By the time of TNE (1200) the Consulate has crumbled as a result.

The full explanation of the EW will be given in the TNE 1248 sourcebook being playtested right now from QLI. (Truth in advertising: they haven't gotten to that chapter yet.)
The Longbow project description is right in the GT sourcebook. (I am assuming you have that.)

kafka47 February 9th, 2004 10:21 AM

As I stated in an earlier post, it is still not certain that Dulinor died (there is a little gem in GT Starports)...

Certainly, the ISS Sargon exploded, but we do not know why it exploded...

Naturally, the Grey Faces could be having us on, and they could have known about the plot against Stephon and taken action.

But, IMGTU (In My GURPS Traveller Universe), if I would play in the milieu...if there was such a thing, it would better play Dulinor with his memory wiped (such as in Memory Alpha) and dump him in the Hinterworlds where he could play the role of a rising star.

GT remains a goldmine of consolidating CT data but I wish that I could see more concepts being fleshed out rather than just their quick insertion.

For example,

The Planetary Survey books seemed to be heading in the right direction but then SJG decided to just do worlds already discussed in canon, as well as, new worlds. Sadly, I would have only preferred new worlds, as to enrich my understanding of the Traveller Universe. Also, innovative was the Black, Grey, White segments that oulined other possible Traveller universes, but this idea was also dropped. I also had very high hopes for Humaniti, having enjoyed the other GT: AM but again there was something missing.

Therefore, my gaming dollar/euro, I would rather support QLI, as they are a company that seems to be innovating and expanding frontiers until T5 comes into being,

daryen February 9th, 2004 11:12 AM

Regarding Dulinor, from what I remember, LKW has pointedly refused to definitively answer the question as to whether Dulinor is truly dead or not.

So, I should probably refer to "Dulinor's gig exploding" as the divergence point, rather than "Dulinor's death".

(Though, personally, I do hope he stays dead in the GTU.)

Malenfant February 9th, 2004 11:48 AM

I'm not sure if the 'everything that happened before 1116 is GT canon' logic applies to the Empress Wave. AFAIK that simply never happened in the GT universe, which is another reason that it's an 'alternate universe'.

Malenfant February 9th, 2004 11:56 AM

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Originally posted by daryen:
The GT rulebook specifically states in the sidebar on p30 that
"The reason Strephon was away from Capital remains the same in both universes, ..."
Strephon was away to check up on the Longbow project, which was being affected by the EW. Consequently, the EW is almost guaranteed to be in the GTU.

Strephon was away to check up on Longbow II, yes.

There's no evidence there to suggest that the EW was why he went off to check on it though. Yes, I know your logic makes sense, but the possibility remains that in GT the EW simply doesn't exist.

Jame February 9th, 2004 03:06 PM

The GT Timeline doesn't seem to be moving forward much. There is the TNS, but it doesn't seem to have much...

daryen February 9th, 2004 03:22 PM

Well, my main point is that even if the EW does exist in the GTU (which I think it does), it doesn't matter, as it won't do anything until 1200, which is 80 game years into the future.

As for the Timeline moving forward, no it doesn't seem to. But they do seem to be laying the groundwork for stuff in the Rim, that they will hopefully take advantage of at some point. (Who knows, maybe the Aldebaran sourcebook will have more in it than just Aldebaran. We can hope.)

And if today's TNS is any indication, some interesting things could start happening in the Marches, too.

kafka47 February 9th, 2004 04:17 PM

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Originally posted by daryen:
knows, maybe the Aldebaran sourcebook will have more in it than just Aldebaran. We can hope.)

Yes, my hope is that there is trouble brewing in Alderbaran. So far, Jon has been very tight lipped about any indication that the Solomani are going to go into Civil War...

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And if today's TNS is any indication, some interesting things could start happening in the Marches, too.
Yes, we can live and hope but it seems like that is a ressurection of the Warrant thread...


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