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hunter February 15th, 2008 06:11 PM

Illegal Traveller CD Copies
It's come to my attention that there may be some illegal trading of copies of Marc's Traveller CDs and pirate CDs of other Traveller material. If I find you doing it you will be banned, no questions asked and the owners of the material being sold or traded will be notified of the activity.

Don't abuse your privileges here folks.

Spinward Scout February 15th, 2008 08:49 PM

Do the DGP MegaTraveller books count?

I'm kidding!


far-trader February 15th, 2008 09:02 PM

Arrr, any o my crew caught piratin anythin 'cept legitimate targets will be keelhauled! An they know it!

(nicks the shiny laugh point Hunter was thinking of giving the scout...)

Yo ho ho :D

The only funny pirats is pretend pirats!

On a more serious note, I'm not surprised. And Marc knows where I stand on such. I'm disappointed that someone would do it but truth be told I doubt any of us is entirely innocent...

...I'm reformed guvnor, honest, and 110% legit now I am :)

Merxiless February 15th, 2008 09:17 PM

I don't need them, i have everything on them in print.

Plus, I'm 100% against such activity, because I'm a writer, myself.

Shocking to see that here...perhaps some kind of investigation is in order.

Does Marc put watermarks on his books, like Drivethru does?

casquilho February 19th, 2008 01:31 AM

It is sad this even has to be said. :nonono:

I hope you catch them Hunter.


Garyius2003 February 20th, 2008 10:42 AM

They are like $30. Leaving aside moral issues, why steal that little?

Vargas February 20th, 2008 10:54 AM


Originally Posted by Merxiless (Post 250089)
Plus, I'm 100% against such activity, because I'm a writer, myself.

I'll second this.

jfetters February 20th, 2008 11:02 AM


Originally Posted by Garyius2003 (Post 250662)
They are like $30. Leaving aside moral issues, why steal that little?

Yeah, if you can't pony up 30 bucks for quality stuff and steal it instead (which is what this is, make no mistake), it is legally and morally morally criminal.


Blue Ghost February 20th, 2008 10:52 PM

Dissapointing news. Why even bother, given the availability of the material? Considering what I paid for all the original books years back, this is a bargain, and for someone to make illegal copies ... tiresome and dissapointing.

Hal February 22nd, 2008 08:36 PM

Mind you, I'm not suggesting that the piracy be ignored...

If Marc ends up selling books in today's environment, you can bet that someone will take that book to a print shop, break the binding, and take the time to scan in the material to their computer. Today, it isn't all that hard to do a web search on torrents for books. Not too long ago, I noted that someone had made a PDF copy of GURPS CYBERPUNK. I had considered blowing the person in, and ultimately, I just ignored the situation on the grounds that I don't give a rat's butt - I should, but I'm not all too keen about SJGames these days. Later on, when I had reconsidered my indifference enough to maybe share the info, I forgot precisely WHERE I had located the illegit copy. If it isn't out there easily accessible, then it cuts down on how often the copy will be disseminated.

None the less, the question becomes one of whether or not the sellers of legit PDFs are making enough money despite the piracy. I'd dare to wager the following:

Those who really CARE about Traveller, won't be involved in the Piracy. Those who don't care about Traveller will probably not care about the act of Intellectual piracy, but on the second hand, probably won't play the game all that much if at all, and let the pirated copy languish on their hard drive taking up space as it were. However - those who end up not caring initially about Traveller, and become hooked on a pirated copy, will also probably be like the rest of us dudes... they will wait with eagerness for the next NEW installment to come out, and being the impatient sods they are, actually PAY for the copy to enjoy the priveledge of having it faster.

Net effect? Perhaps (note: I say perhaps) a little extra in sales. If they weren't going to buy a legit copy to begin with, they'd not have been exposed to Traveller. Result: No sales. If they are the type who just take what they can and act smug about it - and will always do so, then perhaps those they play WITH will become ensnared in the joy of the hobby and expand sales that way. To be sure, there will be those who pirate a copy, give it to their friends, and they in turn won't need to buy a legit copy. Chances are however, that they would never have purchased a copy otherwise. At least with the pirated copy, there is a chance at enticing others to become card carrying travellers ;)

All in all, I don't have it inside me to muster up the raw outrage at the piracy. If it became widespread enough that Marc were to give up on Traveller all together, or that other companies were going bankrupt - then yeah, I'd be unhappy. I just don't think it has hit those levels as yet.

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