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robject October 23rd, 2017 04:34 AM

Rob's Traveller Regula Fidei
 
Status of This Post. DRAFT

Preamble. This is the rule I use when determining whether something is canon, and whether something is overstepping canon. This regula proceeds from (1) loyalty to Marc, (2) loyalty to Traveller, and (3) guidance from Don's Hermeneutic.

Now, my job is not to create canon. My job is to enforce what is determined to be canon. My job does not require that I be nice. So I'll go to training for that particular skill.

My job is also not to be an expert in anything in Traveller. I rely on specialists when something needs to be dug out.

The rules of Traveller canon:

1. Authority. What Marc says is canon, is canon.

2. Priority. FFE is primary. T5 is first, and CT/MT are next. Material Marc had a direct hand in have high priority. The third party materials from FFE can be treated as non-binding sources.

3. Clarity. All of the major concepts for Traveller are clearly communicated in the rules. If it's not there, it's not Traveller. Marc brings new things in when he's ready.

4. Distinction. Each ruleset creates OTU distinctions, binding only in those rulesets.

5. Non-Binding Sources. Secondary sources have useful ideas, but do not trump canon or ruleset distinctions. Mongoose, SJG, DGP, GO, HIWG, and online discussion forums.


It goes without saying that Marc "is" canon, and may change or create exceptions in the above rules. Here is his list of Things that Are Non-Canonical:

1. Spacecraft under 100 tons can't jump. (T5 lays this out clearly, so this is addressed in #1 in the above list). I believe this actually and clearly clobbers what was a TNE distinction.

2. Almost all Aslan art has the hands and paws wrong.

3. All the major races are identified. Don't add another one.

4. DGP is not canon; e.g. the pre-Ancient Primordials/Sparklers are not what Joe Fugate wanted them to be. (This is a addressed in #1 in the above list).

5. Light sabers and Ansibles don't exist. (These are addressed by #2 in the above list).

Blue Ghost October 23rd, 2017 10:34 AM

Why is DGP not-canon for you?

robject October 23rd, 2017 10:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Blue Ghost (Post 575766)
Why is DGP not-canon for you?

It's not me; it's the situation that keeps the material legally out of peoples' hands. Until that situation changes, it's off-limits.

whulorigan October 23rd, 2017 10:55 AM

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Originally Posted by robject (Post 575767)
It's not me; it's the situation that keeps the material legally out of peoples' hands. Until that situation changes, it's off-limits.

But is it the actual subject material that is non-canon, or just the word-for-word text of the original DGP-publication that is off-limits due to copyright? It has always been my understanding that the DGP material is canon, but is just difficult to get one's hands on, making such canon likely to be accidentally overwritten by authors without access to the material.

robject October 23rd, 2017 11:44 AM

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Originally Posted by whulorigan (Post 575769)
But is it the actual subject material that is non-canon, or just the word-for-word text of the original DGP-publication that is off-limits due to copyright? It has always been my understanding that the DGP material is canon, but is just difficult to get one's hands on, making such canon likely to be accidentally overwritten by authors without access to the material.

This is a solved problem, so to speak, that has no happy ending. I refer you to older discussions on COTI, usually involving Don McKinney, who was on speaking terms with Rodge Sanger, and Avery/Marc Miller.

Here we go.

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Originally Posted by Me in 2014
...from reading Joe Fugate's posts from back in 2004, it seems that copyright protects expression, rather than concept -- although I could be wrong. So being free to "dip into DGP's Traveller archives for inspiration in developing background material" was never actually in danger.

http://www.travellerrpg.com/CotI/Dis...t=roger+sanger

So while yes, the concepts are available to use for inspiration and development, they are not mandatory, and therefore they are, at best, secondary sources (because you're not required to consider it when writing stuff, and it doesn't trump anything). The reason I exclude them entirely is because they're not publicly available. (For instance, if you don't have one of the books, how are you supposed to personally research something?)

Now it is true that publishers have been basing work on DGP's concepts, and that's good. But I hear that the adventures are the important thing, and I've only seen one or two of those (and by the way, the Kebkh are non-canon: Deyis II was scrubbed of all life in Agent).

mike wightman October 23rd, 2017 12:50 PM

Which is why that scout ship was sent to investigate the complete regeneration of the world by the various primordial relics extant in the Deyis II system :devil:

The scrubbing had the secondary effect of sending a signal to the primordials that their home world had been scrubbed, which is what stirred them into coming back.

robject October 31st, 2017 07:58 PM

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Originally Posted by mike wightman (Post 575777)
The scrubbing had the secondary effect of sending a signal to the primordials that their home world had been scrubbed, which is what stirred them into coming back.

Maybe the Scrubbing caused the Wave.

Keklas Rekobah October 31st, 2017 09:22 PM

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Originally Posted by robject (Post 575758)
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1. Chronology. T5 is primary; If it's not there, search chronologically backwards from material by Mongoose, GURPS, and FFE. The newer source wins (unless it's known to be wrong).

...

4. DGP is not canon; e.g. the pre-Ancient Primordials/Sparklers are not what Joe Fugate wanted them to be. (This is a addressed in #1 in the above list).

So, how does this square with the Imperial Encyclopedia entry on Primordials? (http://wiki.travellerrpg.com/Primordial)

(IMTU: "Primordials" are generally defined as any species that arises from the earliest conditions that are conducive to organic life. More specifically, the name "Primordials" has come to mean the earliest hypothetical species' to come into existence soon after the first supernova explosions released Carbon, Nitrogen, Oxygen, Phosphorus, and Sulfur into the early Hydrogen-rich universe, about 500,000,000 years after the Big Bang. Evidence for any such a species is sketchy, at best, and largely open to interpretation.)

robject November 1st, 2017 10:29 AM

...And you've brought up my current thought for me.

I was just thinking about the Imperial Encyclopedia last night, and how I thought it makes an excellent baseline for canon. In many ways, it distills much of CT down to the essential bits -- I mean, look at page 4:

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Originally Posted by Imperial Encyclopedia
The following Traveller rules and supplement sets are incor- porated (in part) in the Imperial Encyclopedia: Traveller, Mercenary, HighGuard, Scouts, MerchantPrince, TheSpinward Marches, Citizens of the Imperium, Azhanti High Lightning, Sfriker, Traders and Gunboats, Library Data (A-M), Library Data (N-Z).

Thus, the IE potentially has already consolidated much of CT for us, thereby removing a huge amount of work.

However, I can't find an entry on the Primordials there.

robject November 1st, 2017 10:29 AM

Oh, you mean the Wiki.

The wiki material on the Primordials looks fine at this time. I seem to remember making an edit to it too. Whether the material is correct or not is not relevant: it's best to remember that the wiki is a creative ATU engine, where many different contributors may expand Traveller's possibilities without worrying about canon.


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