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Echo November 3rd, 2015 12:13 AM

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Originally Posted by savage (Post 520489)
A few have said that it is the best psionic representation in Traveller. However, Film production requires an extremely tight handle on project management. I'd say that many people have stumbled in the producer director role. I think it's best that we let Marc work things out and see what is happening. It's probably just running slower than planned.

It's not a question of when he fulfils the kickstarter campaign that has people angry at him. It's the fact that he has sold extra goods using channels opened by the kickstarter via junk mail, and then failed to deliver these goods.

Without labelling himself in any direct, personal way, these practices are clearly disingenuous to the fact that he is abusing the mechanisms of Kickstarter rules. You raise money through the Kickstarter campaign and set your goals accordingly to fulfil the project. With these goals met, it is not acceptable to then keep peppering the backers with junk mail, to attempt to raise additional funds after the kickstarter has ended.

It is also not acceptable to sell goods outside the campaign, which aren't then delivered, while conflating these additional transactions as being somehow part of the campaign and using that as an excuse for non delivery.

rich4421972 November 5th, 2015 09:38 PM

Citing "personal problems," Ken has informed his KS backers (across the six projects) that he has moved out of Kentucky and into Atlanta, GA.

Ken moves to Georgia

Let's hope that a "fresh place" will bring good tidings. ;)

Adam Dray November 6th, 2015 12:10 PM

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Originally Posted by rich4421972 (Post 521142)
Citing "personal problems," Ken has informed his KS backers (across the six projects) that he has moved out of Kentucky and into Atlanta, GA.

Ken moves to Georgia

Let's hope that a "fresh place" will bring good tidings. ;)

I think he's looking for a fresh legal venue.

rich4421972 November 6th, 2015 12:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Adam Dray (Post 521195)
I think he's looking for a fresh legal venue.

I know, from his own statements, he has lived in Kentucky for quite some time. It does sound kind of curious to just pick up and move to a different state.

savage November 6th, 2015 01:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Echo (Post 520891)
It's not a question of when he fulfils the kickstarter campaign that has people angry at him. It's the fact that he has sold extra goods using channels opened by the kickstarter via junk mail, and then failed to deliver these goods.

Without labelling himself in any direct, personal way, these practices are clearly disingenuous to the fact that he is abusing the mechanisms of Kickstarter rules. ...

I get it Echo.

I too funded the kickstarter. My point was that film kickstarters have a pie in the sky approach when film length and deliverables should be based on the project finances. This is failed project management at a classic level. I see it in corporations when engineers develop relationships without structured deliverables and sign with their clients and i see it in the Atlanta Film industry with startups.

So, i don't particularly like getting "extra" product emails or anything of that sort either which is why i didn't buy anything extra.

rich4421972 November 6th, 2015 03:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Echo (Post 520891)

these practices are clearly disingenuous to the fact that he is abusing the mechanisms of Kickstarter rules. You raise money through the Kickstarter campaign and set your goals accordingly to fulfil the project.

To date, I have not seen kickstarter check into a single complaint reported against the "Spinward Traveller" campaign (or any of the other kickstarters started by KW and d20).
I think a few Attorneys General are looking into the situation.

atpollard November 6th, 2015 03:39 PM

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Originally Posted by rich4421972 (Post 521222)
To date, I have not seen kickstarter check into a single complaint reported against the "Spinward Traveller" campaign (or any of the other kickstarters started by KW and d20).
I think a few Attorneys General are looking into the situation.

Just because I am ignorant of the details of how Kickstarter works (beyond the basics of you pledge money, they keep part, somebody makes something), so please indulge me ...

... have you seen "kickstarter check into a single complaint reported against" anything else?
[I am just wondering if that is something that kickstarter even does, ever.]

aramis November 6th, 2015 03:56 PM

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Originally Posted by atpollard (Post 521232)
Just because I am ignorant of the details of how Kickstarter works (beyond the basics of you pledge money, they keep part, somebody makes something), so please indulge me ...

... have you seen "kickstarter check into a single complaint reported against" anything else?
[I am just wondering if that is something that kickstarter even does, ever.]

They killed Ken's Solbound Traveller KS...

Yes, they do screen. Somewhat. They do at times block individuals from new KS projects because of complaints. In at least one case, they provided state's evidence.

rich4421972 November 6th, 2015 04:00 PM

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Originally Posted by atpollard (Post 521232)
Just because I am ignorant of the details of how Kickstarter works (beyond the basics of you pledge money, they keep part, somebody makes something), so please indulge me ...

... have you seen "kickstarter check into a single complaint reported against" anything else?
[I am just wondering if that is something that kickstarter even does, ever.]

Kickstarter itself does not monitor the campaigns closely unless there is obvious, egregious misconduct.

Mr. Whitman's fraudulent campaign for the Dice-o-matic game accessory was suspended by kickstarter when it became obvious that he had stolen another company's product and sold it as his own (at a higher price).

Ken/d20 Entertainment has also been banned from starting any new Kickstarter projects through Kickstarter. He is now operating another crowd-funded project through his d20 website.

Kickstarter's lack of action with the most recent of Whitman's projects has been noteworthy because there have been so many direct complaints sent to the Kickstarter accountability reporting service by backers of Whitman's various campaigns.

My point is that Kickstarter has done very little to protect the interests of the "Spinward Traveller" backers.

A few enterprising individuals have contacted their state attorneys general about the problem and have gotten positive action (in both Kentucky and New York) towards getting a refund on their kickstarter donations.

atpollard November 6th, 2015 04:57 PM

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Originally Posted by rich4421972 (Post 521236)
Kickstarter itself does not monitor the campaigns closely unless there is obvious, egregious misconduct.

...

My point is that Kickstarter has done very little to protect the interests of the "Spinward Traveller" backers.

A few enterprising individuals have contacted their state attorneys general about the problem and have gotten positive action (in both Kentucky and New York) towards getting a refund on their kickstarter donations.

That's what I was wondering about.
Was Ken getting some special treatment from Kickstarter, or was kickstarter not really equipped to 'do' anything?


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